[consulting] Estimation-Blowout case-studies wanted

[Victor Kane]

Fascinating discussion.

But to all you Adam Smith people, I have to say:

There is no such thing as the individual small producer: there are factories
and workers, monopolies, and wannabe monopolies, and you may think you are
free and individual, but we are all workers in a factory, and the bosses are
driving down wages and salaries as we speak.

Our real problem is to band together and demand a minimum wage for each
category.

We need a union.

Of course we have a right to publish our minimum wage! Of course we have a
right to declare rates beneath which no-one should be accepting work.

So:

* All certification under control of the website application developers
union (we can affiliate with writers, with communications, etc...)
* No to monopoly certification programs and other attempts to create
monopolies with the aim of driving down rates.
* Minimum wage for each category.
* Drupal free always as in beer and speech. Drupal development open to all.

Only a uniion can do that.

Otherwise we'll all be washing dishes in Soho, because it's a better paid
job than developing websites.

Consultants, unite! You have nothing to lose except your WSOD.

Victor Kane
http://awebfactory.com.ar
http://projectflowandtracker.com

On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 10:28 PM, Michael Prasuhn <mike at mikeyp.net> wrote:

> I see the logical fallacy that you present here, but I think that misses
> the most poignant part of the message you are replying to and that is:
>
> Publishing your rates != Agreeing to set minimum prices.
>
> Anyway.
>
> -Mike
>
>
>
> On Mar 25, 2009, at 5:12 PM, Cary Gordon wrote:
>
>  There is a logical fallacy in there. What you are really claiming is
>> that rate disclosure does not directly lead to a monopoly, therefor it
>> is either legal or somehow not as illegal as other collusive behavior.
>> We could have a long discussion of what type of fallacy it is. I go
>> for begging the question.
>>
>> Feel free to disclose your rates. On advice of counsel, I won't.
>>
>> Cary
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 2, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Mehboob Alam <malam at thinkx.com> wrote:
>>
>>> But I'm far from convinced that its illegal to share your rates with your
>>>> competitors,one to one or on a mailing list.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If GM, Ford, Chrysler and Toyota agree to set prices, that's "collusion"
>>>
>>> If JetBlue, SouthWest, Alaska and others decide to set minimum prices
>>> for certain routes, that's "collusion"
>>>
>>> If several LCD manufacturers agree to fix their prices, and that ended
>>> up costing Apple a lot of money due to the lack of competitive
>>> bidding, that's "collusion".
>>>
>>> Publishing your rates here.. not so much. The clients have a choice of
>>> thousands of possible vendors for these kinds of projects, and it
>>> would be difficult to set minimum prices.
>>>
>>> And then, anyone who desperately needs the work can easily low-ball
>>> their rates to get the project.
>>>
>>> So, fire away.. :)
>>>
>>> just my opinion..
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>>
>> --
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