[consulting] A chuckle

[Sami Khan]

"@Victor Kane Up until that comment, I was enjoying my Friday.  Are you
this much fun at parties too?"

"Can't we just let one thread on this list *not* turn into a unionizing
Drupal campaign?"

That to me doesn't sound like just friendly "talking"... It seems to me
like implicitly saying shut up.

Draw you own conclusions.

Sami


On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 16:13:45 -0700, Sam Cohen <sam at samcohen.com> wrote:
> Sami,
> 
> When folks disagree about unions or have an alternative view it's not
> "outrage" and it's not "shutting down dissent." It's just talkin ....
> 
> Sam
> 
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Sami Khan <sami at etopian.net> wrote:
> 
>> > Can't we just let one thread on this list *not* turn into a
unionizing
>> > Drupal campaign?
>>
>> I don't know what worries this sort of statement stems from... If
people
>> choose
>> to unionise, it is their right...
>>
>> Shutting down dissent is not cool.
>>
>> Sami
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Kevin Montgomery, President, New Eon Media, Inc. |
>> http://neweonmedia.com
>> > (415) 935-4776 // 715 Capp St., San Francisco, CA 94110
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Sami Khan <sami at etopian.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> People,
>> >>
>> >> Enjoy the party while it lasts folks. If you think you will be able
to
>> >> charge your $50-$150 per hour for your services as they are now in
the
>> >> foreseeable future... you are surely delusional. The services will
>> >> have
>> >> to
>> >> change, and that means the markets will have to keep growing. As
long
>> as
>> >> this keeps happening, the chances of you making a buck are probably
>> >> not
>> >> going away. However, as we speak, there are a number of factors
>> >> working
>> >> against you.
>> >>
>> >> Are unions the answers? I doubt it, they are inefficient... but
really
>> if
>> >> you are an individual, and have no say in the way taxing policy is
>> >> developed; then I think they are the only chance of you getting what
>> you
>> >> want; potentially at a cost to the system and output.
>> >>
>> >> The idea of exploiting the worker is a bit much though... but that's
>> why
>> >> I
>> >> don't sub-contract or work in non-egalitarian relationships.
>> >>
>> >> Also, I don't get all the "outrage", Victor is free to put out his
>> >> views... Has the American worker been so conditioned as to express
>> >> outrage
>> >> at any ideological views which are not compatible with those of the
>> >> elites
>> >> in his country, the more I think about it; the more it seems to be
the
>> >> case.
>> >>
>> >> Also check out this video, about the totalitarian state of the
>> >> American
>> >> mindset:
>> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5um8QWWRvo
>> >>
>> >> He is also right about services like oDesk diminishing at least
>> segments
>> >> of the market. Will this trend continue, despite the idea that this
is
>> a
>> >> "pessimistic" outlook, yes it will; capitalism is suppose to work
this
>> >> way.
>> >> You have to keep yourself viable and ahead of the pack, not to get
>> >> lost
>> >> in
>> >> the race. Going forward web development and design is about fashion,
>> not
>> >> about the technical though the technical may make certain fashions
>> >> possible... so as long as we can keep changing the fashion, and
>> maintain
>> >> eye balls; the longer we can keep charging the prices that we have
>> >> been
>> >> charging. You get away from that growth, and your salaries will
>> plummet.
>> >>
>> >> Sami
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 15:37:49 -0700, Kevin Davison <kevin at quevin.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Per hour... hehe.
>> >> >
>> >> > We've been defining costs here, but what about the Drupal "EXPERT"
>> term
>> >> > that's emphasized so strongly?
>> >> >
>> >> > Hobbyist vs. EXPERT
>> >> >
>> >> > What if you're an EXPERT who also enjoys Drupal as a hobby too?
And
>> is
>> >> an
>> >> > expert Developer defined by http://certifiedtorock.com/ #11? Some
>> >> clients
>> >> > probably care less if you contribute back to the Drupal community
to
>> >> > achieve that rating.
>> >> >
>> >> > So if an EXPERT (based in the USA/EU) would charge $300 per hour,
>> could
>> >> > (or, would) they do this site in an hour? :-)
>> >> > (No.)
>> >> >
>> >> > You'd have to be an "EXPERT" charging $11/hour for ~27 hours of
work
>> to
>> >> do
>> >> > this, I think...
>> >> >
>> >> > On Aug 6, 2010, at 15:12 PM, John Saward wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Good client. Clear communication. $300 per hour is possibly on
the
>> >> >> high
>> >> >> side for the work. I'd bid $210 per hour and run away with it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On 07/08/2010, at 5:57 AM, Jeff Greenberg wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> Received this request for a bid today. Still chuckling.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> You have been invited by the employer to participate in a
private
>> >> >>> auction. We would like to have an informational portal for all
of
>> the
>> >> >>> roles in our company. The site will be made with the Drupal CMS
>> >> >>> and
>> >> >>> therefore we require an EXPERT drupal developer.  Please don't
bid
>> if
>> >> >>> youre only building drupal websites as your hobby. You should be
>> well
>> >> >>> familiar with content types and views, users integration in
>> >> >>> Drupal,
>> >> >>> advanced search and permission functions, multilingual sites
>> >> (including
>> >> >>> rtl languages)...We can say that we are very strict with
timelines
>> >> >>> and
>> >> >>> very clear with requirements so please give us the right
>> >> >>> estimation
>> >> from
>> >> >>> the beginning...
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Max Bid:$300
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