[consulting] A chuckle

Fri Aug 6 23:13:45 UTC 2010

Sami,

When folks disagree about unions or have an alternative view it's not
"outrage" and it's not "shutting down dissent." It's just talkin ....

Sam

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Sami Khan <sami at etopian.net> wrote:

> > Can't we just let one thread on this list *not* turn into a unionizing
> > Drupal campaign?
>
> I don't know what worries this sort of statement stems from... If people
> choose
> to unionise, it is their right...
>
> Shutting down dissent is not cool.
>
> Sami
>
>
>
> >
> > Kevin Montgomery, President, New Eon Media, Inc. |
> http://neweonmedia.com
> > (415) 935-4776 // 715 Capp St., San Francisco, CA 94110
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Sami Khan <sami at etopian.net> wrote:
> >
> >> People,
> >>
> >> Enjoy the party while it lasts folks. If you think you will be able to
> >> charge your $50-$150 per hour for your services as they are now in the
> >> foreseeable future... you are surely delusional. The services will have
> >> to
> >> change, and that means the markets will have to keep growing. As long
> as
> >> this keeps happening, the chances of you making a buck are probably not
> >> going away. However, as we speak, there are a number of factors working
> >> against you.
> >>
> >> Are unions the answers? I doubt it, they are inefficient... but really
> if
> >> you are an individual, and have no say in the way taxing policy is
> >> developed; then I think they are the only chance of you getting what
> you
> >> want; potentially at a cost to the system and output.
> >>
> >> The idea of exploiting the worker is a bit much though... but that's
> why
> >> I
> >> don't sub-contract or work in non-egalitarian relationships.
> >>
> >> Also, I don't get all the "outrage", Victor is free to put out his
> >> views... Has the American worker been so conditioned as to express
> >> outrage
> >> at any ideological views which are not compatible with those of the
> >> elites
> >> in his country, the more I think about it; the more it seems to be the
> >> case.
> >>
> >> Also check out this video, about the totalitarian state of the American
> >> mindset:
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5um8QWWRvo
> >>
> >> He is also right about services like oDesk diminishing at least
> segments
> >> of the market. Will this trend continue, despite the idea that this is
> a
> >> "pessimistic" outlook, yes it will; capitalism is suppose to work this
> >> way.
> >> You have to keep yourself viable and ahead of the pack, not to get lost
> >> in
> >> the race. Going forward web development and design is about fashion,
> not
> >> about the technical though the technical may make certain fashions
> >> possible... so as long as we can keep changing the fashion, and
> maintain
> >> eye balls; the longer we can keep charging the prices that we have been
> >> charging. You get away from that growth, and your salaries will
> plummet.
> >>
> >> Sami
> >>
> >> On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 15:37:49 -0700, Kevin Davison <kevin at quevin.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > Per hour... hehe.
> >> >
> >> > We've been defining costs here, but what about the Drupal "EXPERT"
> term
> >> > that's emphasized so strongly?
> >> >
> >> > Hobbyist vs. EXPERT
> >> >
> >> > What if you're an EXPERT who also enjoys Drupal as a hobby too? And
> is
> >> an
> >> > expert Developer defined by http://certifiedtorock.com/ #11? Some
> >> clients
> >> > probably care less if you contribute back to the Drupal community to
> >> > achieve that rating.
> >> >
> >> > So if an EXPERT (based in the USA/EU) would charge $300 per hour,
> could
> >> > (or, would) they do this site in an hour? :-)
> >> > (No.)
> >> >
> >> > You'd have to be an "EXPERT" charging $11/hour for ~27 hours of work
> to
> >> do
> >> > this, I think...
> >> >
> >> > On Aug 6, 2010, at 15:12 PM, John Saward wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Good client. Clear communication. $300 per hour is possibly on the
> >> >> high
> >> >> side for the work. I'd bid $210 per hour and run away with it.
> >> >>
> >> >> On 07/08/2010, at 5:57 AM, Jeff Greenberg wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> Received this request for a bid today. Still chuckling.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> You have been invited by the employer to participate in a private
> >> >>> auction. We would like to have an informational portal for all of
> the
> >> >>> roles in our company. The site will be made with the Drupal CMS and
> >> >>> therefore we require an EXPERT drupal developer.  Please don't bid
> if
> >> >>> youre only building drupal websites as your hobby. You should be
> well
> >> >>> familiar with content types and views, users integration in Drupal,
> >> >>> advanced search and permission functions, multilingual sites
> >> (including
> >> >>> rtl languages)...We can say that we are very strict with timelines
> >> >>> and
> >> >>> very clear with requirements so please give us the right estimation
> >> from
> >> >>> the beginning...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Max Bid:$300
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