[consulting] A chuckle

[Sami Khan]

> Can't we just let one thread on this list *not* turn into a unionizing
> Drupal campaign?

I don't know what worries this sort of statement stems from... If people
choose
to unionise, it is their right...

Shutting down dissent is not cool.

Sami



> 
> Kevin Montgomery, President, New Eon Media, Inc. |
http://neweonmedia.com
> (415) 935-4776 // 715 Capp St., San Francisco, CA 94110
> 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Sami Khan <sami at etopian.net> wrote:
> 
>> People,
>>
>> Enjoy the party while it lasts folks. If you think you will be able to
>> charge your $50-$150 per hour for your services as they are now in the
>> foreseeable future... you are surely delusional. The services will have
>> to
>> change, and that means the markets will have to keep growing. As long
as
>> this keeps happening, the chances of you making a buck are probably not
>> going away. However, as we speak, there are a number of factors working
>> against you.
>>
>> Are unions the answers? I doubt it, they are inefficient... but really
if
>> you are an individual, and have no say in the way taxing policy is
>> developed; then I think they are the only chance of you getting what
you
>> want; potentially at a cost to the system and output.
>>
>> The idea of exploiting the worker is a bit much though... but that's
why
>> I
>> don't sub-contract or work in non-egalitarian relationships.
>>
>> Also, I don't get all the "outrage", Victor is free to put out his
>> views... Has the American worker been so conditioned as to express
>> outrage
>> at any ideological views which are not compatible with those of the
>> elites
>> in his country, the more I think about it; the more it seems to be the
>> case.
>>
>> Also check out this video, about the totalitarian state of the American
>> mindset:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5um8QWWRvo
>>
>> He is also right about services like oDesk diminishing at least
segments
>> of the market. Will this trend continue, despite the idea that this is
a
>> "pessimistic" outlook, yes it will; capitalism is suppose to work this
>> way.
>> You have to keep yourself viable and ahead of the pack, not to get lost
>> in
>> the race. Going forward web development and design is about fashion,
not
>> about the technical though the technical may make certain fashions
>> possible... so as long as we can keep changing the fashion, and
maintain
>> eye balls; the longer we can keep charging the prices that we have been
>> charging. You get away from that growth, and your salaries will
plummet.
>>
>> Sami
>>
>> On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 15:37:49 -0700, Kevin Davison <kevin at quevin.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Per hour... hehe.
>> >
>> > We've been defining costs here, but what about the Drupal "EXPERT"
term
>> > that's emphasized so strongly?
>> >
>> > Hobbyist vs. EXPERT
>> >
>> > What if you're an EXPERT who also enjoys Drupal as a hobby too? And
is
>> an
>> > expert Developer defined by http://certifiedtorock.com/ #11? Some
>> clients
>> > probably care less if you contribute back to the Drupal community to
>> > achieve that rating.
>> >
>> > So if an EXPERT (based in the USA/EU) would charge $300 per hour,
could
>> > (or, would) they do this site in an hour? :-)
>> > (No.)
>> >
>> > You'd have to be an "EXPERT" charging $11/hour for ~27 hours of work
to
>> do
>> > this, I think...
>> >
>> > On Aug 6, 2010, at 15:12 PM, John Saward wrote:
>> >
>> >> Good client. Clear communication. $300 per hour is possibly on the
>> >> high
>> >> side for the work. I'd bid $210 per hour and run away with it.
>> >>
>> >> On 07/08/2010, at 5:57 AM, Jeff Greenberg wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Received this request for a bid today. Still chuckling.
>> >>>
>> >>> You have been invited by the employer to participate in a private
>> >>> auction. We would like to have an informational portal for all of
the
>> >>> roles in our company. The site will be made with the Drupal CMS and
>> >>> therefore we require an EXPERT drupal developer.  Please don't bid
if
>> >>> youre only building drupal websites as your hobby. You should be
well
>> >>> familiar with content types and views, users integration in Drupal,
>> >>> advanced search and permission functions, multilingual sites
>> (including
>> >>> rtl languages)...We can say that we are very strict with timelines
>> >>> and
>> >>> very clear with requirements so please give us the right estimation
>> from
>> >>> the beginning...
>> >>>
>> >>> Max Bid:$300
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