[consulting] A chuckle

[Kevin Montgomery]

Can't we just let one thread on this list *not* turn into a unionizing
Drupal campaign?

Kevin Montgomery, President, New Eon Media, Inc. | http://neweonmedia.com
(415) 935-4776 // 715 Capp St., San Francisco, CA 94110


On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Sami Khan <sami at etopian.net> wrote:

> People,
>
> Enjoy the party while it lasts folks. If you think you will be able to
> charge your $50-$150 per hour for your services as they are now in the
> foreseeable future... you are surely delusional. The services will have to
> change, and that means the markets will have to keep growing. As long as
> this keeps happening, the chances of you making a buck are probably not
> going away. However, as we speak, there are a number of factors working
> against you.
>
> Are unions the answers? I doubt it, they are inefficient... but really if
> you are an individual, and have no say in the way taxing policy is
> developed; then I think they are the only chance of you getting what you
> want; potentially at a cost to the system and output.
>
> The idea of exploiting the worker is a bit much though... but that's why I
> don't sub-contract or work in non-egalitarian relationships.
>
> Also, I don't get all the "outrage", Victor is free to put out his
> views... Has the American worker been so conditioned as to express outrage
> at any ideological views which are not compatible with those of the elites
> in his country, the more I think about it; the more it seems to be the
> case.
>
> Also check out this video, about the totalitarian state of the American
> mindset:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5um8QWWRvo
>
> He is also right about services like oDesk diminishing at least segments
> of the market. Will this trend continue, despite the idea that this is a
> "pessimistic" outlook, yes it will; capitalism is suppose to work this way.
> You have to keep yourself viable and ahead of the pack, not to get lost in
> the race. Going forward web development and design is about fashion, not
> about the technical though the technical may make certain fashions
> possible... so as long as we can keep changing the fashion, and maintain
> eye balls; the longer we can keep charging the prices that we have been
> charging. You get away from that growth, and your salaries will plummet.
>
> Sami
>
> On Fri, 6 Aug 2010 15:37:49 -0700, Kevin Davison <kevin at quevin.com> wrote:
> > Per hour... hehe.
> >
> > We've been defining costs here, but what about the Drupal "EXPERT" term
> > that's emphasized so strongly?
> >
> > Hobbyist vs. EXPERT
> >
> > What if you're an EXPERT who also enjoys Drupal as a hobby too? And is
> an
> > expert Developer defined by http://certifiedtorock.com/ #11? Some
> clients
> > probably care less if you contribute back to the Drupal community to
> > achieve that rating.
> >
> > So if an EXPERT (based in the USA/EU) would charge $300 per hour, could
> > (or, would) they do this site in an hour? :-)
> > (No.)
> >
> > You'd have to be an "EXPERT" charging $11/hour for ~27 hours of work to
> do
> > this, I think...
> >
> > On Aug 6, 2010, at 15:12 PM, John Saward wrote:
> >
> >> Good client. Clear communication. $300 per hour is possibly on the high
> >> side for the work. I'd bid $210 per hour and run away with it.
> >>
> >> On 07/08/2010, at 5:57 AM, Jeff Greenberg wrote:
> >>
> >>> Received this request for a bid today. Still chuckling.
> >>>
> >>> You have been invited by the employer to participate in a private
> >>> auction. We would like to have an informational portal for all of the
> >>> roles in our company. The site will be made with the Drupal CMS and
> >>> therefore we require an EXPERT drupal developer.  Please don't bid if
> >>> youre only building drupal websites as your hobby. You should be well
> >>> familiar with content types and views, users integration in Drupal,
> >>> advanced search and permission functions, multilingual sites
> (including
> >>> rtl languages)...We can say that we are very strict with timelines and
> >>> very clear with requirements so please give us the right estimation
> from
> >>> the beginning...
> >>>
> >>> Max Bid:$300
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