[consulting] Unionizing Drupal

[Victor Kane]

Sorry,

I'm not saying Capitalism is evil, I'm saying it's washed out, run its
course.

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Victor Kane <victorkane at gmail.com> wrote:

> Fascinating debate Sam, I think, for anyone working with Drupal. I'm not
> saying Capitalism is not evil, I'm saying it's washed out, run its course;
> and workers aren't victims, but rather part of the solution.
>
> But let's agree to disagree, thanks for sharing your opinion.
>
> Victor
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Sam Cohen <sam at samcohen.com> wrote:
>
>> The problem is not evil capitalists verses victimized workers.  Sorry
>> Victor, but his whole concept of capitalists being parasites does not
>> reflect reality in the least.
>>
>>  Far from being parasites, capitalists are creating jobs, wealth, and
>> opportunities for workers -- along with all the suffering and exploitation.
>>
>>
>> I would even guess that Drupal is only possible because of all the
>> capitalist "parasites" who create jobs for developers, allowing those
>> developers to use their free time (and many their paid time) to contribute
>> to Drupal.
>>
>> Now, just because I say capitalists are not parasites, doesn't mean I
>> support everything about capitalism, just like believing in a religion
>> doesn't mean you support its excesses.
>>
>> As more people become aware of the excesses of large corporations, as more
>> people vote with their wallets, as more voters organize to elect people to
>> represent their interests, capitalism becomes more humane.
>>
>> The best thing about Drupal is that it helps this process along by
>> creating a low cost tools for people to educate one another and organize .
>>
>> What's interesting is that you ask how the open source model can help
>> rebuilding society, while also saying you want to use socialism to win.
>>
>>  In my opionion the open source model is the opposite of socialism.
>> Socialism is about collective ownership.  Open Source is about no one owning
>> it.  It seems to me Open Source is far more libertarian than it is
>> socialist.
>>
>> I do think the question of how the open source model can be used to build
>> a more just and better world is a fascinating one -- I just wouldn't call it
>> socialism.
>>
>> Sam
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Heinz D. Wegener <
>> heinz at simplexcreative.com> wrote:
>>
>>> To all:
>>> PLEASE (and this is a request, NOT a demand, but PLEASE) take this
>>> conversation elsewhere. I signed up to receive these email updates in order
>>> to find requests for consulting jobs related to Drupal. Far too often this
>>> forum is used for everything but that.
>>>
>>> And now I've experienced days of reading about this ridiculous notion
>>> that capitalism is evil... I strive to make money so that I can support my
>>> family. I strive to grow my business so that I can make more money to
>>> support my family, and maybe eventually hire employees so that they can
>>> support their families. This is capitalism. This is not evil... period. Some
>>> people may be crooked and evil, but you cannot pin that on capitalism.
>>>
>>> So if  this conversation could be continued elsewhere, it would be
>>> greatly appreciated. I welcome the announcement of where this debate will
>>> continue. But PLEASE take it elsewhere.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Heinz
>>>
>>>
>>>
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