[consulting] Unionizing Drupal

[Victor Kane]

Fascinating debate Sam, I think, for anyone working with Drupal. I'm not
saying Capitalism is not evil, I'm saying it's washed out, run its course;
and workers aren't victims, but rather part of the solution.

But let's agree to disagree, thanks for sharing your opinion.

Victor

On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Sam Cohen <sam at samcohen.com> wrote:

> The problem is not evil capitalists verses victimized workers.  Sorry
> Victor, but his whole concept of capitalists being parasites does not
> reflect reality in the least.
>
>  Far from being parasites, capitalists are creating jobs, wealth, and
> opportunities for workers -- along with all the suffering and exploitation.
>
>
> I would even guess that Drupal is only possible because of all the
> capitalist "parasites" who create jobs for developers, allowing those
> developers to use their free time (and many their paid time) to contribute
> to Drupal.
>
> Now, just because I say capitalists are not parasites, doesn't mean I
> support everything about capitalism, just like believing in a religion
> doesn't mean you support its excesses.
>
> As more people become aware of the excesses of large corporations, as more
> people vote with their wallets, as more voters organize to elect people to
> represent their interests, capitalism becomes more humane.
>
> The best thing about Drupal is that it helps this process along by creating
> a low cost tools for people to educate one another and organize .
>
> What's interesting is that you ask how the open source model can help
> rebuilding society, while also saying you want to use socialism to win.
>
>  In my opionion the open source model is the opposite of socialism.
> Socialism is about collective ownership.  Open Source is about no one owning
> it.  It seems to me Open Source is far more libertarian than it is
> socialist.
>
> I do think the question of how the open source model can be used to build a
> more just and better world is a fascinating one -- I just wouldn't call it
> socialism.
>
> Sam
>
>
> On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Heinz D. Wegener <
> heinz at simplexcreative.com> wrote:
>
>> To all:
>> PLEASE (and this is a request, NOT a demand, but PLEASE) take this
>> conversation elsewhere. I signed up to receive these email updates in order
>> to find requests for consulting jobs related to Drupal. Far too often this
>> forum is used for everything but that.
>>
>> And now I've experienced days of reading about this ridiculous notion that
>> capitalism is evil... I strive to make money so that I can support my
>> family. I strive to grow my business so that I can make more money to
>> support my family, and maybe eventually hire employees so that they can
>> support their families. This is capitalism. This is not evil... period. Some
>> people may be crooked and evil, but you cannot pin that on capitalism.
>>
>> So if  this conversation could be continued elsewhere, it would be greatly
>> appreciated. I welcome the announcement of where this debate will continue.
>> But PLEASE take it elsewhere.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Heinz
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 8, 2010, at 8:48 AM, consulting-request at drupal.org wrote:
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