[consulting] consulting Digest, Vol 55, Issue 40

[liza chua]

Hi! Guys. What you just said are all great information. Thank you so much.
I'm actually more concerned on how this temporary contest affect our
existing Drupal installation. So I think I'll take your advice, host it
somewhere.
Anyone who has tried hosting a video contest in YouTube?  Can you tell how
much did it cost you and how long the contest run?

Thank you again, guys!


On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 8:00 PM, <consulting-request at drupal.org> wrote:

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> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:48:21 +0100
> From: Ant?nio P. P. Almeida <appa at perusio.net>
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> On 13 Ago 2010 17h24 WEST, domenics at gmail.com wrote:
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> > On Aug 13, 2010, at 8:21 AM, George D. DeMet wrote:
> >
> >> On Aug 13, 2010, at 8:42 AM, liza chua wrote:
> >>
> >>> hey guys. What do you think about running a video contest in
> >>> Drupal? Any example sites that you can give
> >>
> >> I'm not sure if it's quite what you're looking for, but you may
> >> want to check out this case study: http://drupal.org/node/790858
> >
> > The case study uses the embedded media field with only YouTube
> > enabled, so they're using YouTube to host the videos.
> >
> > I've done a TON of work in the video+Drupal space and I'll echo a
> > previous poster's comment: unless you know what you're getting
> > yourself into and have the budget to support that, use a 3rd party
> > service thru the embedded media field and move on.
> >
> > HTH
> > -D
>
> There's one thing to add. I don't know if things have changed since I
> checked it about a 1+ year ago. AFAIK most popular video hosting
> services re-encode the video you upload to a format that you've little
> control over. All of them always provide a FLV version. The <video>
> tag is supported only on modern browsers and the dust regarding video
> codec formats and the concomitant patent trolling involved is very
> much in the air. Furthermore IE has no support for the <video> tag
> (only in IE9 beta I believe) so you have to provide the lowest common
> denominator in terms of codec availability.
>
> It used to be (I don't know if it still holds) that blip.tv was the
> exception to the rule of forced re-encoding. If you uploaded a video
> in FLV they didn't touch it, i.e., they respected your encoding and
> therefore you had/have control over the quality.
>
>
> HTH,
> --- appa
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> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:10:31 -0700
> From: Domenic Santangelo <domenics at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [consulting] Host a video contest in Drupal
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> > There's one thing to add. I don't know if things have changed since I
> > checked it about a 1+ year ago. AFAIK most popular video hosting
> > services re-encode the video you upload to a format that you've little
> > control over. All of them always provide a FLV version. The <video>
> > tag is supported only on modern browsers and the dust regarding video
> > codec formats and the concomitant patent trolling involved is very
> > much in the air.
>
> Indeed, this is the complication around self-hosting videos, Drupal or not,
> especially when dealing with community-generated content. If it's just you
> posting videos, you can just be sure you always export FLV/WMA/MP4/whatever,
> but you can't enforce that effectively in the community -- you need a
> transcoder. There are many 3rd-party services that will do this: someone
> else mentioned Kaltura (which had Drupal integration in its absolute infancy
> last time I used it), CDN2 from WorkHabit, and so forth. You could even roll
> your own (community tools for transcoding exist), but it's extremely
> complicated to account for each corner case. I've been involved with doing
> this, too; believe me, it's a nightmare.
>
> At this point in time, it's far easier for everyone involved to choose a
> provider and let them deal with the video mess: "Upload your video to
> YouTube and paste the link here". It's honestly not so much a failing of
> Drupal as it is the state of the technology. Antonio mentioned patent
> problems around codecs, which is a salient point, browser support is fairly
> sketchy so you have to choose a player, probably flash, which will cost a
> ton and/or support 1-2 file formats (which means you need transcoding, see
> the previous paragraph).
>
> Food for thought.
>
> -D
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