[consulting] Suggestion for Dries and Moderators: New Politics List

[Adam Mordecai]

Sami,

The things you are discussing and arguing about are bigger than the consulting list. They are admirable, but they would be more appropriate in an actual Drupal group focused on unionizing and labor and employee rights. Then people who wanted to discuss and actually ORGANIZE around the issue could. I'm a big fan of unions myself, (and many of my clients are unions), but yelling past each other about socialism doesn't actually do anything to actually help workers. nothing I've seen in the last few months on this list actually had any tangible results. It was just sound and fury signifying nothing. 

I would love to be able to point people who write about being treated poorly by company or client to Sami's working group at GDO where they could find tangible answers about what recourse they had. I'd even be glad to recruit some actual union organizers to join the group and help push the cause further. 

But these ongoing debates do nothing but clog the list up and make using the list for TANGIBLE best practices harder. It stifles list growth when people see 30 threads on socialism vs capitalism, and only 1 on how to get their Drupal business going. 

My moderation idea is not implying all emails have approval before going on list, it's more moderators warn people if they are getting way off topic, make recommendations for better places to post on certain issues, put people on probation for repeated abuses, and worst case scenario, boot people when all else fails. 

Adam Mordecai
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On Aug 22, 2010, at 4:49 PM, Sami Khan <sami at etopian.net> wrote:

>> This list aims to connect Drupal consultants, to share ideas  
>> and experience amongst Drupal consultants, to obtain feedback from  
>> Drupal consultants, and hopefully, to grow the number of Drupal  
>> consultants. 
> 
> When all else fails, blame the other side for being off topic. Excellent,
> and I will now offer a rebuttal. What we are discussing is in the realm of
> "talking shop" as business is directly effected by the economy and
> politics. Consultants are potentially future employees or if they are not
> still concerned with how much business they are getting, the terms of the
> business, health insurance issues, contract disputes all of which fall
> within the realm of unions, labour relations, employee rights, and so on.
> Whatever politics is involved with that is then contingent to the business
> that these consultants are doing. As consultants they should know what they
> options are on whether or not to unionise, how they will be treated as
> employees, and or subcontractors.
> 
> There are players in the Drupal field who monopolize consultants. There
> are predatory companies that don't give a shit about employees and abuse
> their employees to make a buck. So when we start talking about Brittany
> Spears you can chime in again about the politics of the "Bad Apples" who
> wish to ruffle some feathers and bring the no good unions into the
> business. 
> 
> Sami
> 
> 
> If you went
>> in the Drupal Dev IRC room and never stopped talking about how awesome
> the
>> latest Britney Spears album is, chx would kick you out, 
> 
> Now you are arguing to absurdity.
> 
>> not because he
>> hates your ideas (though he probably does), but because its not
> appropriate
>> to talk about Britney's awesome new album there. The appropriate place
> for
>> that is #drupal-crappypopmusic.
> 
> Yes, your motivations, however are quite different!
> 
> Sami
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