[consulting] Suggestion for Dries and Moderators: New Politics List

[Kevin Davison]

Andrew, I think this is the right idea. Trolls need to be moderated, especially when the topic is not what we agree to discuss.

Weeks ago, I referred a prospect looking for help to this list, and I recently saw them asking how to be removed. They were expecting to join a list to get consulting help, not to get flamed with political rantings. This list has lost a potential client looking for services, so consider that.

You are losing business. Plus, I'm removing myself from this list now. I will no longer be seeking paid help from this list. At least not until I hear that the list is moderated so it becomes useful again.

Goodbye

On Aug 23, 2010, at 08:03 AM, Andrew R. Kelly wrote:

> This is a rock-solid response.  Therefore I fully expect a rebuttal :(.  We
> (meaning my small band of drupaleers) enjoy this list and in fact promote it
> as a feature of Drupal in our value points to clients as we battle
> commercial software packages.  If a prospect decides to look under the hood
> and stumbles onto threads like we've had recently that won't be pretty.
> 
> C'mon folks let's keep our eyes on the target - building Drupal market share
> one gig at a time, using the power of community to combat commercial
> solutions.
> 
> Thx Adam.
> 
> Andrew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: consulting-bounces at drupal.org [mailto:consulting-bounces at drupal.org]
> On Behalf Of Adam Mordecai
> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 9:22 AM
> To: A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers
> Cc: sami.khan at etopian.com
> Subject: Re: [consulting] Suggestion for Dries and Moderators: New Politics
> List
> 
> Yea, hilariously, last night I wrote an extremely rude email in response to
> Sami's really rude email, and it got moderated (due to size limitations) and
> I've cancelled it this morning because it didn't further the conversation,
> just made me feel better.
> 
> Alex I've joined your group and will gladly track down people who might want
> or be able to support it. These kinds of emails suggesting resources and
> tangible things you can do are exactly the kind of thing that DO add to the
> conversation. 
> 
> Again what I meant to say by moderation wasn't that every post has to be
> approved, just that when the discussion gets way out in the weeds a
> moderator can chime in with best practices and resources and ask people to
> move it off list. Then if someone continues to disregard that, they could be
> put on probation or booted if they can't play well with others. Sami posted
> 48 different emails this month to the list (18% of total list traffic) only
> around 8 of which actually were not related to the original political thread
> and about consulting. I just think a little common sense and respect for
> other people's time would make things work better around here.
> 
> 
> On Aug 23, 2010, at 2:22 AM, Alex Rollin wrote:
> 
> Hi Adam,
> 
> I'd like to add in that I was inspired by the conversation to go do
> documentation about how Drupal Workers could form a cooperative.
> 
> http://groups.drupal.org/drupal-worker-cooperative
> 
> We've had a number of folks join the group and I hope you will, too.
> 
> I don't think that prohibiting all "organizing related" traffic is your
> intention with moderation.
> 
> It's still permitted to link link link(?):
> http://groups.drupal.org/drupal-worker-cooperative
> 
> Linking this within the list is appropriate, no?  To post links about
> discussions on GDO that we see as relevant but tangential, yes?
> 
> Perhaps, then, if this is okay, then what we have here is a bit of
> etiquette.  You can use the list to link to tangential and relevant things
> on GDO?
> 
> Then it is up to everyone else to hold back the impulse to jump in and make
> the thread grow.  Instead, head over to the link?  Can we self-moderate
> around something like this?
> 
> Alex
> 
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