[consulting] Suggestion for Dries and Moderators: New Politics List

[Brett Evanson]

I think these last 2 hit the nail on the head.

This isn't what the majority of people expect on this list. If people
expect to be discussing consulting, and they don't see that on the
list, they'll leave.

It would be unwise for us to push what we personally want on this
list, rather than what the defined purpose of the list is, especially
if it weakens the community.

Brett Evanson





On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Kevin Davison <kevin at quevin.com> wrote:
> Andrew, I think this is the right idea. Trolls need to be moderated, especially when the topic is not what we agree to discuss.
>
> Weeks ago, I referred a prospect looking for help to this list, and I recently saw them asking how to be removed. They were expecting to join a list to get consulting help, not to get flamed with political rantings. This list has lost a potential client looking for services, so consider that.
>
> You are losing business. Plus, I'm removing myself from this list now. I will no longer be seeking paid help from this list. At least not until I hear that the list is moderated so it becomes useful again.
>
> Goodbye
>
> On Aug 23, 2010, at 08:03 AM, Andrew R. Kelly wrote:
>
>> This is a rock-solid response.  Therefore I fully expect a rebuttal :(.  We
>> (meaning my small band of drupaleers) enjoy this list and in fact promote it
>> as a feature of Drupal in our value points to clients as we battle
>> commercial software packages.  If a prospect decides to look under the hood
>> and stumbles onto threads like we've had recently that won't be pretty.
>>
>> C'mon folks let's keep our eyes on the target - building Drupal market share
>> one gig at a time, using the power of community to combat commercial
>> solutions.
>>
>> Thx Adam.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: consulting-bounces at drupal.org [mailto:consulting-bounces at drupal.org]
>> On Behalf Of Adam Mordecai
>> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 9:22 AM
>> To: A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers
>> Cc: sami.khan at etopian.com
>> Subject: Re: [consulting] Suggestion for Dries and Moderators: New Politics
>> List
>>
>> Yea, hilariously, last night I wrote an extremely rude email in response to
>> Sami's really rude email, and it got moderated (due to size limitations) and
>> I've cancelled it this morning because it didn't further the conversation,
>> just made me feel better.
>>
>> Alex I've joined your group and will gladly track down people who might want
>> or be able to support it. These kinds of emails suggesting resources and
>> tangible things you can do are exactly the kind of thing that DO add to the
>> conversation.
>>
>> Again what I meant to say by moderation wasn't that every post has to be
>> approved, just that when the discussion gets way out in the weeds a
>> moderator can chime in with best practices and resources and ask people to
>> move it off list. Then if someone continues to disregard that, they could be
>> put on probation or booted if they can't play well with others. Sami posted
>> 48 different emails this month to the list (18% of total list traffic) only
>> around 8 of which actually were not related to the original political thread
>> and about consulting. I just think a little common sense and respect for
>> other people's time would make things work better around here.
>>
>>
>> On Aug 23, 2010, at 2:22 AM, Alex Rollin wrote:
>>
>> Hi Adam,
>>
>> I'd like to add in that I was inspired by the conversation to go do
>> documentation about how Drupal Workers could form a cooperative.
>>
>> http://groups.drupal.org/drupal-worker-cooperative
>>
>> We've had a number of folks join the group and I hope you will, too.
>>
>> I don't think that prohibiting all "organizing related" traffic is your
>> intention with moderation.
>>
>> It's still permitted to link link link(?):
>> http://groups.drupal.org/drupal-worker-cooperative
>>
>> Linking this within the list is appropriate, no?  To post links about
>> discussions on GDO that we see as relevant but tangential, yes?
>>
>> Perhaps, then, if this is okay, then what we have here is a bit of
>> etiquette.  You can use the list to link to tangential and relevant things
>> on GDO?
>>
>> Then it is up to everyone else to hold back the impulse to jump in and make
>> the thread grow.  Instead, head over to the link?  Can we self-moderate
>> around something like this?
>>
>> Alex
>>
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