[consulting] Suggestion for Dries and Moderators: New Politics List

[Sami Khan]

On Mon, 23 Aug 2010 10:59:43 -0600, Brett Evanson <brettev at gmail.com>
wrote:
> I think these last 2 hit the nail on the head.
> 
> This isn't what the majority of people expect on this list. If people
> expect to be discussing consulting, and they don't see that on the
> list, they'll leave.

What are we discussing that you find so off-topic? Ideology? Unionism?
Workers rights? You don't think that this is the purview of consultants?

> 
> It would be unwise for us to push what we personally want on this
> list, rather than what the defined purpose of the list is, especially
> if it weakens the community.

I don't see how discussing social issues weakens anyone. I have been
thinking long and hard about it, and I think most people are in this
"productivity" mode. Where their only concern in life is finding more work
and to do it more efficiently. They seem to me to be work zombies. Under
such circumstances they think about nothing else but productivity, work,
and Drupal. I personally think humans should be more than that. It seems a
few people on the list disagree.

Humans are more than that. I would add that it is unwise to not be wise
and be concerned about your future... and that future is a political
future. You need to be concerned about that.

I am about done though trying to convince anyone. This is a meta
discussion, not a real one... more about whining than anything else.

Sami

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> Brett Evanson
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> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Kevin Davison <kevin at quevin.com>
wrote:
>> Andrew, I think this is the right idea. Trolls need to be moderated,
>> especially when the topic is not what we agree to discuss.
>>
>> Weeks ago, I referred a prospect looking for help to this list, and I
>> recently saw them asking how to be removed. They were expecting to join
a
>> list to get consulting help, not to get flamed with political rantings.
>> This list has lost a potential client looking for services, so consider
>> that.
>>
>> You are losing business. Plus, I'm removing myself from this list now.
I
>> will no longer be seeking paid help from this list. At least not until
I
>> hear that the list is moderated so it becomes useful again.
>>
>> Goodbye
>>
>> On Aug 23, 2010, at 08:03 AM, Andrew R. Kelly wrote:
>>
>>> This is a rock-solid response.  Therefore I fully expect a rebuttal
:(.
>>>  We
>>> (meaning my small band of drupaleers) enjoy this list and in fact
>>> promote it
>>> as a feature of Drupal in our value points to clients as we battle
>>> commercial software packages.  If a prospect decides to look under the
>>> hood
>>> and stumbles onto threads like we've had recently that won't be
pretty.
>>>
>>> C'mon folks let's keep our eyes on the target - building Drupal market
>>> share
>>> one gig at a time, using the power of community to combat commercial
>>> solutions.
>>>
>>> Thx Adam.
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: consulting-bounces at drupal.org
>>> [mailto:consulting-bounces at drupal.org]
>>> On Behalf Of Adam Mordecai
>>> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2010 9:22 AM
>>> To: A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers
>>> Cc: sami.khan at etopian.com
>>> Subject: Re: [consulting] Suggestion for Dries and Moderators: New
>>> Politics
>>> List
>>>
>>> Yea, hilariously, last night I wrote an extremely rude email in
>>> response to
>>> Sami's really rude email, and it got moderated (due to size
>>> limitations) and
>>> I've cancelled it this morning because it didn't further the
>>> conversation,
>>> just made me feel better.
>>>
>>> Alex I've joined your group and will gladly track down people who
might
>>> want
>>> or be able to support it. These kinds of emails suggesting resources
and
>>> tangible things you can do are exactly the kind of thing that DO add
to
>>> the
>>> conversation.
>>>
>>> Again what I meant to say by moderation wasn't that every post has to
be
>>> approved, just that when the discussion gets way out in the weeds a
>>> moderator can chime in with best practices and resources and ask
people
>>> to
>>> move it off list. Then if someone continues to disregard that, they
>>> could be
>>> put on probation or booted if they can't play well with others. Sami
>>> posted
>>> 48 different emails this month to the list (18% of total list traffic)
>>> only
>>> around 8 of which actually were not related to the original political
>>> thread
>>> and about consulting. I just think a little common sense and respect
for
>>> other people's time would make things work better around here.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 23, 2010, at 2:22 AM, Alex Rollin wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Adam,
>>>
>>> I'd like to add in that I was inspired by the conversation to go do
>>> documentation about how Drupal Workers could form a cooperative.
>>>
>>> http://groups.drupal.org/drupal-worker-cooperative
>>>
>>> We've had a number of folks join the group and I hope you will, too.
>>>
>>> I don't think that prohibiting all "organizing related" traffic is
your
>>> intention with moderation.
>>>
>>> It's still permitted to link link link(?):
>>> http://groups.drupal.org/drupal-worker-cooperative
>>>
>>> Linking this within the list is appropriate, no?  To post links about
>>> discussions on GDO that we see as relevant but tangential, yes?
>>>
>>> Perhaps, then, if this is okay, then what we have here is a bit of
>>> etiquette.  You can use the list to link to tangential and relevant
>>> things
>>> on GDO?
>>>
>>> Then it is up to everyone else to hold back the impulse to jump in and
>>> make
>>> the thread grow.  Instead, head over to the link?  Can we
self-moderate
>>> around something like this?
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
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