[consulting] Closing down the consulting mailing list?

Tue Aug 24 15:28:10 UTC 2010

Similar to Andrew's suggestion, I suggested splitting the consulting
list to an enterprise list and small business list (probably should be
consulting-sb-np to include non-profits too)...

http://drupal.org/node/891254#comment-3366124

I use email lists, RSS subscriptions to web content, IRC, and even
Twitter to communicate with different communities.  I can't be the
only person who recognizes the impact the channel has on style and
content.  Some people prefer sharing information via email.  They like
writing in a rich app, the way their email client informs the of
updates, the way links are displayed, etc., etc.  The reason why they
like it isn't as important as the fact that they do.  If the list
users preferred the features available on GDO, the discussions would
have migrated organically.

If this isn't about issues with the consulting list, is the plan to
stop supporting and logging discussion via IRC since the same argument
that the features are better on D.O. and GDO would also apply?

- Kevin

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Andrew R. Kelly <arkelly at cognisync.com> wrote:
> It dawned on me that this conflict of what is appropriate might be based on
> two different member profiles – Drupal hobbiests vs Drupal professionals.
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> (a)    Drupal Hobbiest:  I’m doing Drupal stuff as a hobby.  I might get
> paid occasionally but its gravy, I have another profession that feeds my
> family.
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> (b)    Drupal Professional:  I have built my professional life around
> selling services based on Drupal.  Without Drupal, I can’t pay my bills.
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> There are also other flavors of people like those seeking Drupal talent,
> customers, etc but I’m making an assumption that most of this list
> membership is either (a) or (b).
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> Most of the disdain for off-topic threads appears to come from (b).  I and
> my team fall into this category.
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>
> Maybe a good checkpoint is to hear from members whether or not you are (a)
> or (b).  That might help in deciding what is appropriate dialog.  If the
> majority is (a) then the rest of us should just put up with random
> conversations (but the list name is a misnomer).  If the majority is (b)
> then list activity really should mirror an office environment, a conference
> BOF session, etc., with most conversation on point and an occasional
> off-topic thread, as you would in a typical professional setting.  In this
> case you could view us as co-workers in a virtual, organically grown
> organization, all working on our own projects (which I think is a very cool
> concept).
>
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>
> So I’ll throw this out and see if it flies:  are you (a) a Drupal hobbiest
> or (b) a Drupal professional?
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>
> Andrew
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> From: consulting-bounces at drupal.org [mailto:consulting-bounces at drupal.org]
> On Behalf Of Don
> Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2010 6:48 AM
> To: consulting at drupal.org
> Subject: Re: [consulting] Closing down the consulting mailing list?
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> I know that programmers tend to be control freaks, but this whole "do what I
> say or we'll close the list" seems way over board. Some of you are letting
> occasional topics that for some obsessive compulsive reason you can't ignore
> and just delete ruin a list that works just fine. If I leave the list, it
> will be from the temper tantrums, not the so called off-topic conversations.
>
> -Don-
>
> On 8/24/2010 12:45 AM, Adam Mordecai wrote:
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> There's some internal debate about how we are going to be reforming the
> list, however, I think there is a general consensus that this is a
> completely appropriate venue to find consultants to work on your project.
> Thanks for your patience while we work out the internal debate issues and
> welcome to the list. :) Feel free to use it to find people to work with.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> -A
>
> On Aug 23, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Teresa K Pudi wrote:
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> I joined this group recently because I was under the impression that I will
> be connected to skilled consultants.
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> After several Drupal projects with lots of hard work to select the skills
> desired this group seemed very atractive to me.
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> I was hoping to be able to reach out to this group for help on a project i
> am currently working on: a website redesign.
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> We are in the process of defining requirements and will be looking for
> developer(s) soon.
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> Is this the wrong group for me?  Is there another group U should be joining?
>
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> Please, advise...
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> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 23, 2010, at 8:26 PM, Therese Kells <therese.kells at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> I joined this group several years ago. I used to be an employment recruiter
> back when companies still needed people like me. At the time, I wrote to the
> group and asked if it was OK to look for Drupal Consultants to support a
> project my current contract needed help on. (bty I was an inside recruiter
> working under contract to a start up.) No one, responded! So I sent out an
> email to the group, presenting what I was given by my client. I received 3
> responses and put them all in touch with the hiring manager who could speak
> intelligently to the project. (speaking intelligently to the project was a
> plus. I know that is not always the case.) The manager was blown away. He
> had never gotten such highly qualified folks so quickly. The project
> unfortunately changed and was postponed. Such is the nature of start ups.
> Why wouldn't you want someone like me to post project requests to this
> group? It worked and everyone won. Sure the project changed but I guarantee
> those consultants are still in this guys Rolodex. What harm?
>
> OK, so why am I still here? I'm self employed. You folks actually talk
> intelligently to the ins and outs of being self employed. It's hard work and
> it's lonely. It still beats the hell out of wage slavery. I hardly ever
> write to you but I read what you have to say and gain from the stuff that is
> pertinent to my situation. I have great deal of gratitude to you for your
> tips and insights.
>
> Would you really kick me out because I'm not a Drupal consultant?
>
> Thanks,
> Therese
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Sam Cohen <sam at samcohen.com> wrote:
>
> Serious question here:  Who is it that would make a decision such as closing
> down this list?  Is this one person's decision?  A committee?  How would it
> be decided, etc?
>
> I just posted on DGO a suggestion to elect a moderator.  Let's let anyone
> who would like to see the list go on and want to moderate it post what they
> think the guidelines should be.  Then everyone can vote for a moderator.
> Seems that would be a way to make this list serve the needs of its members
> in a fair way.
>
> Sam
>
> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Greg Knaddison
> <Greg at growingventuresolutions.com> wrote:
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> On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 3:40 PM, Michael Shmilov <yamdesigns at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I think this list is very important but lately to much off-topics.
>> and obviously we can't expect someone to moderate/filter the topics.
>>
>> How about making this list to an rss feed? I find it very useful and we
>> can
>> easily browse it.
>
> There are multiple rss feeds for every group on groups.drupal.org.
>
> If we moved the conversation there, you could use those.
>
> Regards,
> Greg
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