[consulting] Drupal themer needed for short gig

Mon Aug 22 23:50:15 UTC 2011

This message certainly doesn't help, Mr. Kelly.

<shakes head>

Well, add my name to the list of folks dropping this list. I could go 
further into exactly what's been wrong with this entire thread, but I've 
already done so in part, and I'm going to heed my own advice: those who 
are doing it wrong aren't going to change on account of a listserv 
criticism.

I'll stick to the areas of the community where the DCoC is more strictly 
enforced. Unsubscribing...

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On 08/22/2011 04:58 PM, Andrew R. Kelly wrote:
> Thanks for all the great candidates for this little gig.  I could have done
> without the 50 extra emails in my inbox with the same subject line that are
> full of diatribes (did someone go off on some homophobe angle?  Did I
> actually read that?).  Your need to express yourselves added an extra step
> in my effort to extract money from the big companies and trickle it down our
> stack.
>
> One discouraged professional (Emma) is exasperated with this list and I
> don't blame her, sometimes I think I'm being punked when I read some of
> these threads.  I'll say to her that we've found some quality talent and
> great consultative advice from people lurking on this list (key word
> "lurking"), I'd be willing to bet that describes 75% of the membership.  If
> you can see your way through the noise it's a great asset.
>
> Best of luck to all,
> Andrew
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: consulting-bounces at drupal.org [mailto:consulting-bounces at drupal.org]
> On Behalf Of Brandon Dawson
> Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 1:40 PM
> To: A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers
> Subject: Re: [consulting] Drupal themer needed for short gig
>
> One and all:
>
> These subsequent replies to this thread are not material for a public list,
> which is especially and doubly-recursively ironic considering you yourselves
> are pointing it out. It is also totally unnecessary to call out one-time
> mistakes in excess of their real damage or harm, which, again, just
> compounds the problem.
>
> Mr. Kelly should bear in mind that some of his points cut both ways. I'd say
> most online-only contractors learn fairly quickly NOT to invest vast amounts
> of time in proposals that they'll likely never hear back on, often based on
> vague, imprecise specifications. His case was somewhat different, since he
> was very specific and to-the-point about what he needed.
>
> But he still should understand that marketing services like these in an
> international marketplace filled with hucksters and sweatshops is inherently
> a numbers game where those who try to "do it right" are already at a
> disadvantage, just by doing so. While I sympathize and agree with his
> summary with regards to the efficacy of excessively "boilerplate" responses,
> and applaud the extent to which it was a slap in the face of those who
> brazenly and knowingly "do it wrong", it's also a situation where "it is
> what it is."
>
> Mr. Van Kets, IMHO, has already been chastened enough for what I'm quite
> sure was a one-time mistake, given that it's the only time I've seen his
> name in several months' membership on this list.
>
> Messrs. Barrett, Jones, Heyman, Hyde, and others, would all do well to
> reflect on the mistakes they made starting out (we all make them) and could
> have reached out to the errant "Reply-All'er" privately, every bit as easily
> as clicking "Reply All" themselves and deploying the flamethrowers, in
> accordance with their own sarcastic retorts and/or advice.
>
> Enough's enough, folks. Let's let this one drop, or at least keep it
> on-point, professional, and free of personal digs or insults, since the
> actual subject matter is a good topic for newer consultants/contractors.
>
> -- Brandon Dawson
>
> On 08/20/2011 10:12 AM, Joe Hyde wrote:
>> I for one would never hire someone that uses "reply all". It is
>> clearly a sign of 'shoot from the hip' unprofessionalism.
>>
>> As for calling me an old lady, that's not sexist. It is homophobic. I
>> am not old, nor do I cross dress. Obviously in your world, there's
>> something wrong with both.  Remember, to be a good American, we must
>> always respect the freak show on parade more than the average regular
>> Joes. Now genuflect and prepare for your appearance on Oprah, or be
>> ostracized for the rest of your career!
>>
>> HA!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 20, 2011 at 8:48 AM, Franz Glauber<franz.glauber at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Aug 19, 2011 at 4:01 AM, Gordon Heydon<gordon at heydon.com.au>
> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> You guys seem to be turning into a bunch of old woman, so the guy
>>>> hit the reply all instead of reply. I know for myself I hit reply
>>>> all for 99.9% of all my response, and then he gets bashed for a simple
> mistake.
>>>> We should be encouraging people not putting them down for small
> mistakes.
>>>> I this is not in the sprit of the community that I have been
>>>> involved in for the last 10 years.
>>>> Gordon.
>>> Despite your sexist comment, you're right, Gordon.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Franz
>>>
>>> http://ciudaddelpico.com
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