[development] Drupal Modules and Linux Distros

Jonathan Lambert j at firebright.com
Thu Oct 26 04:03:10 UTC 2006

I did not mean offense - I wasn't aware of your efforts!  I'm taking  
this thread off list to talk to you personally Derek as it  
appropriate here.

Consider my part of this thread closed.
Jonathan Lambert
Principal | FireBright, Inc.
Email: j at firebright.com

"In any contest between power and patience, bet on patience."
- W.B. Prescott

On Oct 25, 2006, at 3:42 PM, Derek Wright wrote:

> On Oct 25, 2006, at 12:50 PM, Jonathan Lambert wrote:
>> Look, the original request is, "I need you to change package  
>> version numbers when you make changes to the underlying tar  
>> files."  It's positively INSANE to me that there is any debate on  
>> this point, as this is standard practice in package management and  
>> software engineering.
> there's no debate on this point at all (at least, not anymore).
> it's all done and ready to deploy.  it's just pending:
> a) further reviews by The Blessed Few(tm)
> b) documentation
> please, read http://drupal.org/node/90436 and the links in there  
> for more on this before you write anything else about this topic.
>> Drupal maintainers have a responsibility to members of this  
>> community to fix this practice immediately.
> [climbs onto soap box]
> before you go throwing ultimatums around, you should consider how  
> much time it actually took me to get this right.  i started  
> grumbling about this in january, vocally ranting about it in april,  
> winning support for my plans around then (no small task in its own  
> right), raising money (since my day job isn't drupal at all, and i  
> couldn't just take a few hundred hours of time off without pay) in  
> august, and hacking the code in earnest in september.  here it is,  
> end of october, and it's finally done.  i challenge you to find  
> anyone who would have accomplished all of this any better or faster.
> i just find it slightly offensive that you a) think this was a  
> trivial matter to change and drupal maintainers were just dragging  
> their feet because they didn't want drupal included in distros and  
> b) are now telling us how irresponsible we're being unless we fix  
> this immediately (which, by the way, is going to happen on the  
> order of days from now, anyway).  if you're going to make a rant,  
> at least make an informed one. ;)  better yet, instead of  
> complaining about all the work you (wrongly) think we're not doing,  
> please help contribute in some way ($, documentation, testing,  
> code, whatever you're good at).
> [off soap box]
>> It's a good point, but it really is sidetracked from the original  
>> request.  Also, you're directly ignoring Dries' polite request not  
>> to add noise to the discussion (I'm not singling you out  
>> personally).  This point should be a separate thread.
> it *was* in a separate thread.  to single you out personally,  
> you're the one that put any mention of michelle's thread about  
> documenting projects into here... ;)
> all that said, i hold no personal grudge, and i don't want to add  
> any more flames or distractions in this thread...
> versioned (and tagged) tarballs for contrib are an imminent reality  
> for drupal, end of story.
> to people who know what they're talking about: what else do you  
> want/need from drupal to make distribution easier for you?
> thanks,
> -derek (dww)
> p.s. sorry for the harsh tone.  i've just poured so many hours of  
> my life into this exact point that i'm a little touchy around this  
> topic... please don't take it personally.

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