[development] How could everyone win and get Views in Drupal 8?

T L tloud365 at gmail.com
Wed Aug 12 23:53:16 UTC 2009

I don't think the problem is difficulty of installation per se.  Drush is
the bee's knees and I'm definitely looking forward to a plugin manager, but
personally downloading a tarball is not that tough for me.  However, when
you combine moderate computer skills with a total lack of knowledge about
Drupal (talking about new users here :) ); I think it becomes a big
obstacle.  You are asking a majority of end-users to know about
views--there's so much information to take in...it just doesn't make sense
to me.

To put it another way, think of it like an api.  I think someone may have
mentioned this blog post before here (
but I see the essential point being the api hides all the hard, gnarly stuff
so it's easy to use.  What I think is interesting, is the suggestion that
one breaks down the end-user time-savings vs the developer's time spent in
writing more perfect code.  To me, it makes sense to look at it in terms of
numbers and in that case, views in core looks like a good move.

Additionally, I'm not being facetious or trying to be inflammatory
here--what does 'lean in core' mean?  We're talking about less than 20mb of
code that allows novices to build $50k websites.  To me, Moore's law
suggests developer and end-user time + market share is more precious than

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:47 PM, Karoly Negyesi <karoly at negyesi.net> wrote:

> And I am glad people contributing hard to core are making such claims
> and writing so worthy and important followups in this thread. (Hey! I
> resisted writing an answer like this for two days. Not easy.)
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:26 PM, Jim Taylor<jim at rootyhollow.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Earnie Boyd <
> earnie at users.sourceforge.net>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> BTW, the same goes for themes.  Only the default garland theme needs to
> be
> >> delivered with core.
> >
> > I agree with that for sure
> >

Tim Loudon
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