[development] Move Dev List to groups.drupal.org

[Shai Gluskin]

Kieren or others,

Doesn't a properly configured combination of: Comment mail --used-to-be
Mail2Web (http://drupal.org/node/634074), Messaging (
http://drupal.org/project/messaging), and Notifications (
http://drupal.org/project/notifications) get us exactly what we need? What
would a resuscitated project/og2list get us that this combination of modules
doesn't already provide?

I'm not saying that it's a trivial installation, especially given the scale
of things. But I think, as others have hinted at, that after things settle
down and the new g.d.o is launched with the d.o. upgrade --, it will be time
advocate for improvements in the g.do. notifications system. I personally
agree with Earl that clicking on a link in an email is fine. But I think we
need to have an open discussion about what is the best notifications system
that will serve the broadest range of personal work-flows so that people
would feel comfortable dumping Mailman.

One other point in the general discussion. Some are arguing, "I like list
serves, I want to do this kind of thing on email." Remember that all the
people who will only follow this kind of conversation via RSS are not
participating here, by definition, because Mailman doesn't do RSS.

Shai

On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Kieran Lal <kieran at acquia.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Jamie Holly <hovercrafter at earthlink.net>
> wrote:
> > Yeah I got an email from a GDO group yesterday for a message that was
> posted
> > 4 days earlier.
> >
> > But what would be really cool, though require some custom module work, is
> a
> > way to make G.D.O operate more like Google Groups. People could choose to
> > use the web site and/or email - ala listserv style. Of course that would
> > require pumping emails through a script handler, which can be done in
> PHP.
> > It would also be a rather sweet contrib module to allow other sites to do
> a
> > similar type system.
>
> Great idea!
>
> We started in 2005 an released it in 2006.
> http://drupal.org/project/og2list
>
> Everybody wants it but nobody wants to fund it.
>
> Kieran
>
> >
> > Jamie Holly
> > http://www.intoxination.net http://www.hollyit.net
> >
> >
> >
> > Earl Miles wrote:
> >>
> >> Until g.d.o gets actually useful email notifications, I am against this.
> >>
> >> Right now, g.d.o is useless to me, because the notifications system has
> >> regressed.
> >>
> >> (All we really need is good titling and threaded support, for my
> purposes.
> >> it doesn't need to *respond* to email, I'm perfectly ok with clicking a
> link
> >> to reply).
> >>
> >> Shai Gluskin wrote:
> >> > I'm pulling this out as a separate thread...
> >> > > Jenniver wrote,
> >> > > Shai Gluskin wrote:
> >> > >       3. *Move dev list to g.d.o.*   [...]
> >> > > > I can sympathize with your desire to have a more searchable output
> >> > > > for > this list, on-line forums such as g.d.o are a huge barrier
> to >
> >> > > > participation compared to email lists.
> >> > > So if this list is moved to g.d.o and we want it to still be a
> useful
> >> > > > list with immediate feedback and lots of participants, we would
> also >
> >> > > need to provide a way for people to participate fully via email
> (i.e. > make
> >> > > it so it looks and acts just like an email list). In which case, >
> the
> >> > > threads will look/act/search like email, and I don't think we will >
> have
> >> > > solved anything.
> >> > >    --Jennifer
> >> > > My issue with the search results at >
> >> > > http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/development is not the
> formatting; > it's
> >> > > the content. Searching on terms like "module development" the top >
> results
> >> > > are from March. I mean, there really is something wrong.
> >> > > Given the delays in upgrading to the new d.o. design, I'm not sure
> >> > > where > things stand. But I know there were definitely discussions
> about >
> >> > > tweaking the notifications system and also adding Mail Comment
> (formerly >
> >> > > Mail2Web): http://drupal.org/node/634074. Mail Comment would allow
> for >
> >> > > replicating list serve functionality for folks who don't want to go
> to >
> >> > > g.d.o. And again... I don't care about the formatting; I want the >
> >> > > transparency, the integration with d.o. web sites, it running on
> Drupal, >
> >> > > and also the much more personal and community feel you get at g.d.o
> with >
> >> > > user pics/profiles etc. With Mail Comment we can have the push of
> the > list
> >> > > serve but the better functionality of g.d.o.
> >> > > Shai
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
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