[development] Move Dev List to groups.drupal.org

[Kyle Mathews]

With that combination (and a lot of work and custom code) it *is* possible
to turn Organic Groups into a passable mailing list. It's not for the faint
of heart however and the system we've built (for https://island.byu.edu)
isn't entirely stable yet. But it's close. I'd be happy when the time comes
(i.e. d.o redesign complete) help out converting g.d.o groups so they're
more list-like. Speaking from experience, it does make a groups system
*much* more usable if you can start / reply-to conversations via email.

--Kyle Mathews

kyle.mathews2000.com/blog
http://twitter.com/kylemathews


On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Shai Gluskin <shai at content2zero.com> wrote:

> Kieren or others,
>
> Doesn't a properly configured combination of: Comment mail --used-to-be
> Mail2Web (http://drupal.org/node/634074), Messaging (
> http://drupal.org/project/messaging), and Notifications (
> http://drupal.org/project/notifications) get us exactly what we need? What
> would a resuscitated project/og2list get us that this combination of modules
> doesn't already provide?
>
> I'm not saying that it's a trivial installation, especially given the scale
> of things. But I think, as others have hinted at, that after things settle
> down and the new g.d.o is launched with the d.o. upgrade --, it will be time
> advocate for improvements in the g.do. notifications system. I personally
> agree with Earl that clicking on a link in an email is fine. But I think we
> need to have an open discussion about what is the best notifications system
> that will serve the broadest range of personal work-flows so that people
> would feel comfortable dumping Mailman.
>
> One other point in the general discussion. Some are arguing, "I like list
> serves, I want to do this kind of thing on email." Remember that all the
> people who will only follow this kind of conversation via RSS are not
> participating here, by definition, because Mailman doesn't do RSS.
>
> Shai
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Kieran Lal <kieran at acquia.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Jamie Holly <hovercrafter at earthlink.net>
>> wrote:
>> > Yeah I got an email from a GDO group yesterday for a message that was
>> posted
>> > 4 days earlier.
>> >
>> > But what would be really cool, though require some custom module work,
>> is a
>> > way to make G.D.O operate more like Google Groups. People could choose
>> to
>> > use the web site and/or email - ala listserv style. Of course that would
>> > require pumping emails through a script handler, which can be done in
>> PHP.
>> > It would also be a rather sweet contrib module to allow other sites to
>> do a
>> > similar type system.
>>
>> Great idea!
>>
>> We started in 2005 an released it in 2006.
>> http://drupal.org/project/og2list
>>
>> Everybody wants it but nobody wants to fund it.
>>
>> Kieran
>>
>> >
>> > Jamie Holly
>> > http://www.intoxination.net http://www.hollyit.net
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Earl Miles wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Until g.d.o gets actually useful email notifications, I am against
>> this.
>> >>
>> >> Right now, g.d.o is useless to me, because the notifications system has
>> >> regressed.
>> >>
>> >> (All we really need is good titling and threaded support, for my
>> purposes.
>> >> it doesn't need to *respond* to email, I'm perfectly ok with clicking a
>> link
>> >> to reply).
>> >>
>> >> Shai Gluskin wrote:
>> >> > I'm pulling this out as a separate thread...
>> >> > > Jenniver wrote,
>> >> > > Shai Gluskin wrote:
>> >> > >       3. *Move dev list to g.d.o.*   [...]
>> >> > > > I can sympathize with your desire to have a more searchable
>> output
>> >> > > > for > this list, on-line forums such as g.d.o are a huge barrier
>> to >
>> >> > > > participation compared to email lists.
>> >> > > So if this list is moved to g.d.o and we want it to still be a
>> useful
>> >> > > > list with immediate feedback and lots of participants, we would
>> also >
>> >> > > need to provide a way for people to participate fully via email
>> (i.e. > make
>> >> > > it so it looks and acts just like an email list). In which case, >
>> the
>> >> > > threads will look/act/search like email, and I don't think we will
>> > have
>> >> > > solved anything.
>> >> > >    --Jennifer
>> >> > > My issue with the search results at >
>> >> > > http://lists.drupal.org/pipermail/development is not the
>> formatting; > it's
>> >> > > the content. Searching on terms like "module development" the top >
>> results
>> >> > > are from March. I mean, there really is something wrong.
>> >> > > Given the delays in upgrading to the new d.o. design, I'm not sure
>> >> > > where > things stand. But I know there were definitely discussions
>> about >
>> >> > > tweaking the notifications system and also adding Mail Comment
>> (formerly >
>> >> > > Mail2Web): http://drupal.org/node/634074. Mail Comment would allow
>> for >
>> >> > > replicating list serve functionality for folks who don't want to go
>> to >
>> >> > > g.d.o. And again... I don't care about the formatting; I want the >
>> >> > > transparency, the integration with d.o. web sites, it running on
>> Drupal, >
>> >> > > and also the much more personal and community feel you get at g.d.o
>> with >
>> >> > > user pics/profiles etc. With Mail Comment we can have the push of
>> the > list
>> >> > > serve but the better functionality of g.d.o.
>> >> > > Shai
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
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