Thoughts on the themes: 1) The 'zen' theme would make an *awesome* administration theme or a no-nonsense portal site theme. It's attractive and clean. 2) I love the variations concept -- it's a great example of how much can be done with a good foundation. 3) I love the header for zen-beach, but really dislike the color scheme. The yellow background feels out of place and the stark white of the page (with no differentiation for sidebars) leaves me cold. The core zen and zen-fixed, on the other hand, are downright soothing to look at. :) 4) I don't think I like the use of a serif for the node post info. I'd much rather see a daring move to a theme with *content* in a serif font, and node post-info in a smaller sans-serif font, perhaps italicized. That's a matter of taste, of course. The earlier comments about the themes being 'blah' or 'vanilla'... I think I disagree. They're very good *general* drupal themes. We don't really have the luxury in core of providing hyper-focused themes. This is a no-nonsense, attractive set of themes (with the caveats mentioned in 3) that can (as demonstrated here) be styled in a variety of ways. The only concerns, I think, are the proliferation of additional theming functions mentioned by previous posters. Steef is working on another theme, and has passed some screenshots around IRC. If we were to add the 'zen family' and his 'bluelagoon' theme, it would be a really impressive boost for 4.8/5.0 IMO. --Jeff