Content Management Systems are separation of content from design. Design is always managed through CSS. All designers should be aware of this fact in case of Drupal. This gap will always exist between designers and developers and the only way to overcome this gap may be that the design should be 100% controlled by CSS and that is already being done through phptemplate, what you can control through phptemplate is that what shows what and where and how can you be more specific with certain areas or spice em up. Your dream will always be a bit of imagination. Drupal is hitting that mainstream activity where designers do their design part and programmers or configures connect the the UI to Drupal. CSS us the only way forward otherwise learn PHP and API Callups/Callbacks! Regards ----------------------- Fouad Riaz Bajwa www.fossfp.org -----Original Message----- From: development-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:development-bounces@drupal.org] On Behalf Of sime Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 7:53 AM To: development@drupal.org Subject: [development] Patches 4.8 - New Theme (First rant) While everyone is discussing whether a "3-column CSS layout template for developers" is achievable - I think this development process arse-up. Discussing implementation issues in absence of something to implement is wasting time. Our trialling users, Fantastico users, non-techie administrators, they want a new "sexy" theme as one of the defaults. For that reason, the focus has to be on the design first, and therefore we the tools are Photoshop, Fireworks or GIMP - *not* CSS and HTML. I'm sure we'd have 10 great candidates designs within a week if an announcement went in the forums. Or let's just expand on a great looking Wordpress theme. Or let's just have a vote on the best looking contrib theme. After we have the design, we can knock ourselves out with the implementation. Until then the clock's ticking, and rehashing ALA articles is not going to get us anywhere. Cheers, Simon -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/384 - Release Date: 7/10/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/384 - Release Date: 7/10/2006