Hello, Not sure where this should go. Into devel ML or Recently some very frustrated (?) and hostile threads leading nowhere but to even more threads have arised on the ML. Let us please, for a second, not look at the content of these threads and at the If we continue with facilitating such hostility, or (as seen from the other side) such naivity (which seems to be the reason for that hostility), I am quite sure that people will, leave Drupal. Our ML are primary communications. If I were to join a system, because I am looking o do buisyness with that system, but where the first thing I am told is to FSK Up Because We Are Not Going To Listen To Your Uninsightfull Ideas I am out of there. And even If i see others telling that to others (whom might have similar ideas to mine) the same will happen, just as soon. If someone is a long term member, but see communication going all wrong, people not listening, and progress not going in the direction that person would like to see it going, he or she might say: well indeed, FSK IT. I am Fsking Up as suggested, but I am taking my work with me. Result: a fork. Drupal cannot use a fork. But with the current athmosphere I taste, this might not be far from happening. Therefore: Lets stay professional. Keep your frustrations for your friends. For your family, or even your schrimp ;). We are talking about software, not about ego's. Let us respect one anothers needs. Not everyone needs Drupal for his or her hobby-train-club-site. Some make a living from it, some need it for their make-anarchy-change-the-world-activists-group. Respect the difference in views, and in needs. Respect that others need Drupal to do and be different than what you think it should be and do. We should stand above this harsh talks at all costs. And I think that if people are not able to stand above that, they should be told so. (by whom?) I take my share of responsibility, for this too. For I have not been only positive about Drupal lately either. But I feel that should be possible. For if we sit back and say "Drupal is perfect. We want mo more change (as in: community, or way of doing stuff)" we might as well call ourselves dead. So lets all start with looking at ourselves and see how we can all make Drupal better by starting with some respect for our fellow developers. And with repect to their ideas. Think twice before replying. If you completely and utterly disagree, say so, but keep in mind that your opinion is Just Another Opinion. You are nothing higher or better then the one with the original idea. No matter how much more code you committed or how much lower your UID is. That is, has never been, and (if its up to me) will never be a criterium for being able to voice yourself. Never. Bèr