This whole topic of conversation is not new nor unique to Drupal or Gerhard. I spent several years on the Source Mage development team, and it was not uncommon for a new person to show up on the mail list with a "Why is this.." or a "We should.." type of post only to be pointed (sometimes politely, sometimes rudely - it largely depended on the topic, the person doing the pointing and sometimes that person's current mood) to the mail list archives and previous discussions of the topic. I challenge any one of you to search through the archives of any development list and not find the same sort of occasional cyclic conversations. If you do find a list without them, chances are good the list is not very lively. On-line communities are not new, and didn't originate with Drupal, the World Wide Web nor the Internet. Anyone who does not have the fore-thought or inclination to do a little leg work before posting, especially with a list like this one, will eventually meet with people like Gerhard, and meet the same fate. I see that happen a lot on other development and support mail lists. This list isn't about teaching people list etiquette, and I believe there is some amount assumption made that anyone here has some familiarity and experience with mail list etiquette, and therefore, should act accordingly. I agree with sime and Jaza in that Gerhard's response was much more tame than it could have been. It did stop me from potentially replying to a thread that would eventually meet the same fate of it's predecessors, as was his intention. -- Jason Flatt http://www.oadaeh.net/ Father of Six: http://www.flattfamily.com/ (Joseph, 13; Cramer, 11; Travis, 9; Angela; Harry, 5; and William, 12:04 am, 12-29-2005) Linux User: http://www.kubuntu.org/ Drupal Fanatic: http://drupal.org/