Thoughts and comments about Stefan's theme (http://istyledthis.nl) can be posted in this thread. Like with the previous thmeme's thread (which got royally f*cked up, thank you very much), focus on the aesthetics, brand and message. We'll worry about implementation later. Thanks, -- Dries Buytaert :: http://www.buytaert.net/
On 01 Sep 2006, at 08:35, Dries Buytaert wrote:
Thoughts and comments about Stefan's theme (http://istyledthis.nl) can be posted in this thread.
Personally, I can't rate this theme yet. It looks good, but it is over-simplified. Not a fair comparison. It needs: - a Druplicon logo (brand) - a search box in the header - primary links - a mission statement - three or more posts of which one sticky post - author information and categories - a recent forum topics block - some comments -- Dries Buytaert :: http://www.buytaert.net/
Thanks Adrian I forgot to make a comment about the watermarking in my last email. I personally wouldn't watermark the Drupal logo. If you are going to brand, do it full on or not at all. If you have a strong enough brand like Apple, you could get away with it, but not Drupal. Adrians point is that kubrik doesn't have a logo. I would disagree with him and say that we should keep pimping the Drupal brand. I typed a lot of stuff, but freakin' X died on me... *sigh* My position is that we should keep up or branding efforts on the default theme, but that we should NOT dilute it with a watermark that is present on the "Committee theme" that's being worked on. Trae On 9/1/06, adrian rossouw <adrian@bryght.com> wrote:
On 01 Sep 2006, at 9:40 AM, Dries Buytaert wrote:
- a Druplicon logo (brand)
does kubrick have a wordpress logo / brand ?
-- Trae McCombs || http://occy.net/ Founder - Themes.org // Linux.com CivicSpaceLabs - http://civicspacelabs.com/
On 01 Sep 2006, at 14:30, adrian rossouw wrote:
- a Druplicon logo (brand) does kubrick have a wordpress logo / brand ?
Fair enough. It's not a requirement, but it would be nice to have. -- Dries Buytaert :: http://www.buytaert.net/
On 01 Sep 2006, at 2:41 PM, Dries Buytaert wrote:
does kubrick have a wordpress logo / brand ?
Fair enough. It's not a requirement, but it would be nice to have. It's just that I see this as being Drupal's kubrick. IE: the standard theme you can keep running on your site, that is easily tweakable to make your own.
I don't see sticking branding all over such a theme as a feature. I see it as a drawback. The druplicon watermark was my biggest issue with marvin2k for instance. No real site will keep the watermark there, and it just makes more work for the average person running the site, to remove it. Witness the desire to make sites 'not look like drupal sites'. Ship a little 25x80 (or was it 20x85) 'powered by drupal' logo, in all themes, but don't make more work for designers.
On 9/1/06, adrian rossouw <adrian@bryght.com> wrote:
Witness the desire to make sites 'not look like drupal sites'. Ship a little 25x80 (or was it 20x85) 'powered by drupal' logo, in all themes, but don't make more work for designers.
Adrian, NOW you are talking.... That's a great comprimise and idea! :) ++powered by drupal logo or tag. I guarentee you people won't even remove that for the most part! I'm feeling the love... -- Trae McCombs || http://occy.net/ Founder - Themes.org // Linux.com CivicSpaceLabs - http://civicspacelabs.com/
On 01 Sep 2006, at 2:54 PM, Trae McCombs wrote:
alking.... That's a great comprimise and idea! :)
++powered by drupal logo or tag. I guarentee you people won't even remove that for the most part!
I'm feeling the love... Yup, you could still use the druplicon as the theme's default logo, but in that case it exists more as a 'YOUR LOGO HERE' than anything else. =)
alking.... That's a great comprimise and idea! :)
++powered by drupal logo or tag. I guarentee you people won't even remove that for the most part!
I'm feeling the love... Yup, you could still use the druplicon as the theme's default logo, but in that case it exists more as a 'YOUR LOGO HERE' than anything else. =)
I agree, unchecking the "use default logo" in the theme configuration is pretty easy. So either way it shouldn't be much work. ;) Rob Roy Barreca Founder and COO Electronic Insight Corporation http://www.electronicinsight.com rob@electronicinsight.com adrian rossouw wrote:
On 01 Sep 2006, at 2:54 PM, Trae McCombs wrote:
alking.... That's a great comprimise and idea! :)
++powered by drupal logo or tag. I guarentee you people won't even remove that for the most part!
I'm feeling the love... Yup, you could still use the druplicon as the theme's default logo, but in that case it exists more as a 'YOUR LOGO HERE' than anything else. =)
On 9/1/06, adrian rossouw <adrian@bryght.com> wrote:
Witness the desire to make sites 'not look like drupal sites'. Ship a little 25x80 (or was it 20x85) 'powered by drupal' logo, in all themes, but don't make more work for designers.
This is good. The first thing a user would do is change the logo, leaving no drupal branding. But a user would be less inclined to remove a "powered by..." tag. This is how kubrick does it (though with text, not image) Adam
I don't see sticking branding all over such a theme as a feature. I see it as a drawback.
The druplicon watermark was my biggest issue with marvin2k for instance. No real site will keep the watermark there, and it just makes more work for the average person running the site, to remove it. I agree with Adrian that watermarks are difficult to remove and sites should be simple to get up and running in no time but I disagree with the branding compromise. Druplicon as a site logo will be the first thing any new site will change so why not keep him smiling and visible on first install.
Witness the desire to make sites 'not look like drupal sites'. Ship a little 25x80 (or was it 20x85) 'powered by drupal' logo, in all themes, but don't make more work for designers.
+1 for the powered by logo something that should be on every shipped theme IMHO, although we can all notice similarities, even in civicspace that this is indeed very drupal, having the powered by will definitely create more awareness to newcomers. -- Nick Lombard +27 82 413 9931 www.jigsoft.co.za
http://cvs.drupal.org/viewcvs/*checkout*/drupal/contributions/docs/marketing... This is my suggestion for the "Powered by Drupal" icon we'd use. I actually would love to see this somewhere above the fold if possible. Not sure where, as tabs, and search and other things are still a moving target.... oooh You could do it just to the right and below the search box? Maybe... just babbelling at this point. Trae On 9/1/06, Nick Lombard <nick@jigsoft.co.za> wrote:
I don't see sticking branding all over such a theme as a feature. I see it as a drawback.
The druplicon watermark was my biggest issue with marvin2k for instance. No real site will keep the watermark there, and it just makes more work for the average person running the site, to remove it. I agree with Adrian that watermarks are difficult to remove and sites should be simple to get up and running in no time but I disagree with the branding compromise. Druplicon as a site logo will be the first thing any new site will change so why not keep him smiling and visible on first install.
Witness the desire to make sites 'not look like drupal sites'. Ship a
little
25x80 (or was it 20x85) 'powered by drupal' logo, in all themes, but don't make more work for designers. +1 for the powered by logo something that should be on every shipped theme IMHO, although we can all notice similarities, even in civicspace that this is indeed very drupal, having the powered by will definitely create more awareness to newcomers.
-- Nick Lombard +27 82 413 9931 www.jigsoft.co.za
-- Trae McCombs || http://occy.net/ Founder - Themes.org // Linux.com CivicSpaceLabs - http://civicspacelabs.com/
This could be the perfect 5 theme for me with some work. I like the use of color and shading at the top, and the proportions of it and the columns. I also like that the main column is hinted at with the "lifted" semi-transparent sheet of paper effect at the top. I agree with those remarks on the use of a logo that say don't make it hard on a site builder to remove the Drupalicon. It's the first thing I do on every site I build using a theme that has it. I want my own branding and logo, and suspect most people do, too.
This has potential to be a nice theme, although I don't see much content at the moment, so I'm not sure what people are commenting on. I see some real visual problems/challenges concerning layout of the search box, left and right sidebars, title and logo as it is now. That's all for now. I'm going to wait until there is something more substantial before commenting further. Farsheed --- Dries Buytaert <dries.buytaert@gmail.com> wrote:
Thoughts and comments about Stefan's theme (http://istyledthis.nl) can be posted in this thread.
Like with the previous thmeme's thread (which got royally f*cked up, thank you very much), focus on the aesthetics, brand and message. We'll worry about implementation later.
Thanks,
-- Dries Buytaert :: http://www.buytaert.net/
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Like with the previous thmeme's thread (which got royally f*cked up, thank you very much), focus on the aesthetics, brand and message. We'll worry about implementation later.
I like this one a thousand times better than the zen one, though the lack of tabs is a big problem. It's a good base to narrow down, IMO. -- Morbus Iff ( you see, doctor, but you do not observe! ) Technical: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779 Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus
On Fri, 1 Sep 2006, Dries Buytaert wrote:
Thoughts and comments about Stefan's theme (http://istyledthis.nl) can be posted in this thread.
What I see is a default install page with two background images (one fixed width [*wink*] for the page contents and one general page background). Generally it looks quite nice, but what this site shows is far from a Drupal theme yet. Gabor
Op 1-sep-2006, om 15:57 heeft Gabor Hojtsy het volgende geschreven:
On Fri, 1 Sep 2006, Dries Buytaert wrote:
Thoughts and comments about Stefan's theme (http://istyledthis.nl) can be posted in this thread.
What I see is a default install page with two background images (one fixed width [*wink*] for the page contents and one general page background). Generally it looks quite nice, but what this site shows is far from a Drupal theme yet.
Gabor Gabor, while I like your comments/thoughts on things I rather see you comment a little more verbose by what you would expect it to look like instead of telling me things I already know..
For everyone else: this theme is a work in progress and *not*, I repeat *not* finished at all... Steef
On Fri, 1 Sep 2006, Stefan Nagtegaal wrote:
Op 1-sep-2006, om 15:57 heeft Gabor Hojtsy het volgende geschreven:
On Fri, 1 Sep 2006, Dries Buytaert wrote:
Thoughts and comments about Stefan's theme (http://istyledthis.nl) can be posted in this thread.
What I see is a default install page with two background images (one fixed width [*wink*] for the page contents and one general page background). Generally it looks quite nice, but what this site shows is far from a Drupal theme yet.
Gabor, while I like your comments/thoughts on things I rather see you comment a little more verbose by what you would expect it to look like instead of telling me things I already know..
For everyone else: this theme is a work in progress and *not*, I repeat *not* finished at all...
Stefan, I appreciate your work, and as I said, how the theme looks now is *very promising*. *It looks cool*. It has this fixed-width problem we are not supposed to talk about here, so I tried to "hide" it in my comment above, but I could not notice any other problems (there are not many features shown to talk about). For whatever reason, someone sidetracked the deliciously blue theme discussion with your theme, and Dries decided it is better discussed in a separate thread, once it is already picked up. My comment was about the theme not being ready for discussion. Gabor
On 01.Sep.2006, at 10:14, Gabor Hojtsy wrote:
Stefan, I appreciate your work, and as I said, how the theme looks now is *very promising*.
I want to second that. Letting people give you input on your creation is very brave. Thanks for stepping up to the plate. / liza
I have some of the same problems as the other one. - low contrast makes it hard to read - I would not attempt to read anything but the shortest post on a site like this, and would not plan on returning, due to eye strain - especially low contrast and unreadable on the links - colored background on entire page also challenges readability with grey/lt blue text - no hover on the links is poor GUI (no user feedback on interaction) I don't mind the fixed width of the node area as long as there's a float/fluid approach (stacked blocks on narrow view, float out to fill out page on wider views). Laura On Sep 1, 2006, at 12:35 AM, Dries Buytaert wrote:
Thoughts and comments about Stefan's theme (http://istyledthis.nl) can be posted in this thread.
Like with the previous thmeme's thread (which got royally f*cked up, thank you very much), focus on the aesthetics, brand and message. We'll worry about implementation later.
Thanks,
-- Dries Buytaert :: http://www.buytaert.net/
Has potential. I can see people who don't like white backgrounds (like me) going for something like this. It needs work though. Some suggestions: 1.Can we see the navbar placed in the light blue overlay on the header (that is part of the body)? 2. I'd like to see these test templates with 3 columns, not just two. 3. I'd put the site name on the left and the icon on the right. 4. Don't place the search bar in the header. How about putting right before the first post on main column? Styling by committee ... eek! / liza On 01.Sep.2006, at 02:35, Dries Buytaert wrote:
Thoughts and comments about Stefan's theme (http://istyledthis.nl) can be posted in this thread.
Like with the previous thmeme's thread (which got royally f*cked up, thank you very much), focus on the aesthetics, brand and message. We'll worry about implementation later.
Thanks,
-- Dries Buytaert :: http://www.buytaert.net/
blogdiva@culturekitchen.com wrote:
Has potential. I can see people who don't like white backgrounds (like me) going for something like this. It needs work though.
Some suggestions:
1.Can we see the navbar placed in the light blue overlay on the header (that is part of the body)?
Funny, that's exactly where I would *not* like to see it go. It would ruin the balance between the top and the body of the node for me.
2. I'd like to see these test templates with 3 columns, not just two.
3. I'd put the site name on the left and the icon on the right.
Good idea, I think.
4. Don't place the search bar in the header. How about putting right before the first post on main column?
I also think it would be a good idea to *not* have the search bar in the header since it is fairly slim. However, on many sites where the node content on the front-page is the most important thing on the site (e.g. latest news, latest blog entry, etc.), putting the search bar just above it would be a disaster.
On Friday 01 September 2006 02:35, Dries Buytaert wrote:
Thoughts and comments about Stefan's theme (http://istyledthis.nl) can be posted in this thread.
Like with the previous thmeme's thread (which got royally f*cked up, thank you very much), focus on the aesthetics, brand and message. We'll worry about implementation later.
As a theme in the *general* sense, I like the overall look of it. I'm not sure I'm ready to sign onto it as *the default* theme, though. It feels just a little too "soft and artsy" for my taste, not quite as crisp as Deliciously Drupal. The low contrast and all the gentle fades are very visually appealing, but they seem soothing rather than businesslike to me. I think this may be an issue of how one uses Drupal. My use tends to be for corporate or informational sites, rather than for community-building sites. Someone who approaches Drupal from another perspective might very well take exactly the opposite position, and say that Deliciously Drupal feels too cold and sterile. And that would, in my opinion, be a valid argument. To each his or her own. :-) Again, I mean no disrespect to Stefan's work. This is a *great* theme in my opinion, for the right kind of web site. I'm just not convinced it should be the first theme new Drupal users see. But if everyone else feels it's a good choice, I'm okay with that. One specific question: Does anyone other than me feel that the light-colored "virtual paper" extending up into the top dark blue area tends to pull the eye upward from the content into that blank space? Or is it just me? I think this could be helped by making the overlap smaller. With it being large enough to contain text, my eyes instinctively seem to expect it to do so. :-) [Hmmm... Might be an interesting place to put tabs or links.] I do note from Stefan's comments on the example site that the final version will be fluid. +1 to that! Maybe there is a way to take the best features of both and combine them. Deliciously Drupal seems to me to have more raw readability, but Blue Lagoon feels more artistically polished. I choose readability over artistry if I must, but maybe we can have both. Definitely, though, this has potential, and I'll continue to watch with interest as Stefan evolves this concept. Scott -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Syscrusher (Scott Courtney) Drupal page: http://drupal.org/user/9184 syscrusher at 4th dot com Home page: http://4th.com/
On Friday 01 September 2006 11:07, Syscrusher wrote:
One specific question: Does anyone other than me feel that the light-colored "virtual paper" extending up into the top dark blue area tends to pull the eye upward from the content into that blank space? Or is it just me? I think this could be helped by making the overlap smaller. With it being large enough to contain text, my eyes instinctively seem to expect it to do so. :-) [Hmmm... Might be an interesting place to put tabs or links.]
I have the same issue. My eyes keep getting distracted wondering where the edge of the current box I'm looking at is. -- Larry Garfield AIM: LOLG42 larry@garfieldtech.com ICQ: 6817012 "If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it." -- Thomas Jefferson
On Fri, 2006-09-01 at 08:35 +0200, Dries Buytaert wrote:
Thoughts and comments about Stefan's theme (http://istyledthis.nl) can be posted in this thread.
Like with the previous thmeme's thread (which got royally f*cked up, thank you very much), focus on the aesthetics, brand and message. We'll worry about implementation later.
Thanks,
-- Dries Buytaert :: http://www.buytaert.net/
I'd like to see more of drupal in it, themes, links, readmore, node listings to judge it... needs better seperation between the blocks.
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