WordPress' project Shuttle: Administration redesign project
http://www.brokenkode.com/shuttle This is awesome! Spread over with AJAX/JavaScript goodies and even more eye-candy WordPress redesigned their Administration section.. Have a look at the screenshots and enjoy this ride through WP's wonderfull new and improved admin interface. Steef
http://www.brokenkode.com/shuttle This is awesome!
No, it's not. I can't click the "Back" button to return to the list of screenshots. It took me about 20 seconds of concerted fiddling before discovering that, to return whence I came, I had to click on the image, and NOT the browser's Back button. If this is any indication of WP's new admin, it sucks ass. -- Morbus Iff ( tomorrow never comes until it's too late ) Technical: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779 Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus
On Monday 15 May 2006 07:59, Morbus Iff wrote:
http://www.brokenkode.com/shuttle This is awesome!
No, it's not. I can't click the "Back" button to return to the list of screenshots. It took me about 20 seconds of concerted fiddling before discovering that, to return whence I came, I had to click on the image, and NOT the browser's Back button.
Oh, good. I'm not the only one. It's a confusing interface and not at all intuitive. Granted a tool tip pops up if you leave your mouse cursor over the image long enough, but I'm not used to just hanging around for those sorts of things. And when the image doesn't load, all you're left with is to reload the page or close the browser (which is usually what I do).
If this is any indication of WP's new admin, it sucks ass.
-- Jason Flatt http://www.oadae.net/ Father of Six: http://www.flattfamily.com/ (Joseph, 13; Cramer, 11; Travis, 9; Angela; Harry, 5; and William, 12:04 am, 12-29-2005) Linux User: http://www.sourcemage.org/ Drupal Fanatic: http://drupal.org/
On 15 May 2006, at 16:49, Stefan Nagtegaal wrote:
http://www.brokenkode.com/shuttle
This is awesome!
Spread over with AJAX/JavaScript goodies and even more eye-candy WordPress redesigned their Administration section.. Have a look at the screenshots and enjoy this ride through WP's wonderfull new and improved admin interface.
Looks nice and professional. (This discussion probably belongs on the theme development mailing list.) I'd like to see a dashboard in Drupal 4.8/5.0. Kieran Lal and Earl Miles were working on that during the Drupal 4.7.0 code freeze. -- Dries Buytaert :: http://www.buytaert.net/
On 15 May 2006, at 4:59 PM, Dries Buytaert wrote:
I'd like to see a dashboard in Drupal 4.8/5.0. Kieran Lal and Earl Miles were working on that during the Drupal 4.7.0 code freeze.
http://www.brokenkode.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/05/Theme%20Editor.jpg i'd like to see something like that for contrib in 4.8 =) Which is what the template split will help us build. =) -- Adrian Rossouw Drupal developer and Bryght Guy http://drupal.org | http://bryght.com
Dries Buytaert wrote:
Looks nice and professional. (This discussion probably belongs on the theme development mailing list.)
I'd like to see a dashboard in Drupal 4.8/5.0. Kieran Lal and Earl Miles were working on that during the Drupal 4.7.0 code freeze.
I ultimately decided I didn't like what we had set up because it re-organized your menus for you. However, as Drupal moves forward I think that part may become less necessary. It does need to be re-arrangeable. Different administrators have different needs. People who are very new to Drupal need a lot of handholding; people who have been using it for awhile need less handholding and more detail exposed. But detail confuses newer people; without any sense of what the detail means, it's just extra info. While I haven't touched administration module for awhile, CivicSpace has moved forward with it and done some pretty nice stuff with it. I think if the next generation of it can find a decent way to organize the data that is both 1) configurable, 2) pluggable, 3) easy to follow, it will be a great benefit to the next version of Drupal.
-----Original Message----- From: Dries Buytaert [mailto:dries.buytaert@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 9:59 AM
Looks nice and professional. (This discussion probably belongs on the theme development mailing list.)
I'd like to see a dashboard in Drupal 4.8/5.0.
I'm not convinced that this would be a good idea -- at least, not in the forms I've seen it so far. While I think there's no arguing with the idea that Drupal's administrative interface needs work to achieve WordPress levels of usability, there are a couple of fundamental issues that need more than a menu and page reshuffling to solve. 1) A streamlined and user-friendly administration UI is very task-dependent. Community blogs, Ecommerce/Storefronts, Community sites, News Portals, etc. CAN all be shoehorned into a single workflow, a single dashboard, but I think the experience will suffer greatly. WordPress has the luxury of focusing exclusively on blogging. If you look at its administation dashboard, it combines features from four specific Drupal modules, one of which lies in conrib (trackback). It's perfect for a your-blog-at-a-glance overview, but almost useless for other types of sites. 2) Drupal modules have absolute flexibility in how they manage their own configuration. They can add a new hierarchy of menus. They can sit under the /admin hierarchy, or add a block full of links that's only visible to permissioned users. They can add their options to other screens. They can form_alter their way into any other UI, if necessary. Achieving the kind of streamlined, polished admin UI that WP demonstrates -- while also working with contrib modules -- is its own herculean task. We don't have the luxury of shoving everything into a 'plug-ins' page. I think the real solution lies in optimizing drupal core's adminsitration interface for four key tasks: site setup and configuration, basic batch operations on content, user permission management, and viewing statistics. Providing a default 'dashboard' that gives access to those tasks, and supporting a system where other dashboards could be swapped in to replace it, would let use focus on the basics. Those additional swap-in dashboards could be optimized for the needs of specific sites, rather than just adding more-and-more-and-more features to the 'core' dashboard. That's my thought. It comes with no code, and thus is worth less than the existing implementations, but I worry that pursuing a 'monolithic redesign' for the admin screens will gain us very little if it tries to be all things to all people. --Jeff
I think the real solution lies in optimizing drupal core's adminsitration interface for four key tasks: site setup and configuration, basic batch operations on content, user permission management, and viewing statistics.
The core tasks have been identified by the various usability surveys Kieran conducted. Of course, these task are not set in stone, but they are going to be a vast improvement compared with the current interface. -- Dries Buytaert :: http://www.buytaert.net/
Of course, these task are not set in stone, but they are going to be a vast improvement compared with the current interface.
That would be good. But please, please, pretty please avoid the horrible clutter on the first screenshot! My reaction was "ugh, can I have a little bit more information please on one screen?"
Op maandag 15 mei 2006 17:52, schreef Jeff Eaton:
CAN all be shoehorned into a single workflow, a single dashboard, but I think the experience will suffer greatly. WordPress has the luxury of focusing exclusively on blogging.
Nail on the head! There are obvious parts that can be improved in Drupal. we can improve some usability issues a lot with simple lines of code. But we cannot (IMNSO) and should not (IMELHO (...Even Less...) take this route of mac-cing the stuff up. Things like this great (in some ways) admin interface are really only usefull and handy when you can focus on one single task and audience. We cannot. And should not. From what I see in all the screenies, we will have to give in a GREAT amount of flexibility and thus modularity to achieve this kind of "usability". That is a sacrifice that we, IMHO should not even *consider* to make. Not even in a theme. Because next thing is that such a theme becomes "the" theme. And next thing is that Drupal is ready for only one subset of users, with all the other users either abandoning it, or saying, fskit, ill start me own Flexral. With all respect to the Civicspace development and great stuff, too. They are but one of the subsets of users too. So even all the outcomes of their usability reviews should be looked at as being "only a solution for a small part of our audience". Really great would it be to get Bryght in this too. Because from what I heard from Boris, the "Biggest Thing" acc. to Bryght was the fact that WYSIWYG is not tied to core too hard. Or when it comes to my experience, the very fact that making an "about us" section requires one to get into the material (handbooks, howtouse book module etc), could improve Drupal A LOT. IMO getting into this fancypancy Macish (as in "looking good in the first place") stuff is not bad. But IMO we can improve a LOT more in MUCH simpler ways by getting Drupal a tad more consistant and slightly more obvious for certain tasks. Bèr NB: When I talk about "macish" I am not trying to insult any kind of OS/PC/Whatever user. I use this term only because Mac has a huge amount of fancy pancy boingboing swooshey effects. Stuff that is Cool. But does not really add to the usabilty. The real (and IMO best ever) usabilty with mac, lies in the fact that it Does What One Expects It To Do. Not with the fact that an icon bounces around your screen and then dissapears with a swoosh and a puff. I really hope that Drupal devels can see through this. And see that making Drupal more usable is not the same as adding more eyecandy-swooshey-poof-effects. But that those effects might (might!) be used in addition (in addition!) to great usability improvements. To make it even better then Just Very Good.
On 15 May 2006, at 22:45, Bèr Kessels wrote:
NB: When I talk about "macish" I am not trying to insult any kind of OS/PC/Whatever user. I use this term only because Mac has a huge amount of fancy pancy boingboing swooshey effects. Stuff that is Cool. But does not really add to the usabilty. The real (and IMO best ever) usabilty with mac, lies in the fact that it Does What One Expects It To Do. Not with the fact that an icon bounces around your screen and then dissapears with a swoosh and a puff. I really hope that Drupal devels can see through this. And see that making Drupal more usable is not the same as adding more eyecandy-swooshey-poof-effects. But that those effects might (might!) be used in addition (in addition!) to great usability improvements. To make it even better then Just Very Good.
We're not stupid, Ber. I'm pretty sure that all of us understand that eye candy is not equivalent to ease of use. :) -- Dries Buytaert :: http://www.buytaert.net/
-----Original Message----- From: Dries Buytaert [mailto:dries.buytaert@gmail.com] We're not stupid, Ber. I'm pretty sure that all of us understand that eye candy is not equivalent to ease of use. :)
I don't think he was implying stupidity -- I think it's just VERY very easy to get seduced by the 'pretty' factor when talking about stuff like this. I know I've been sucked into that before. :-) --Jeff
Op dinsdag 16 mei 2006 09:20, schreef Jeff Eaton:
-----Original Message----- From: Dries Buytaert [mailto:dries.buytaert@gmail.com] We're not stupid, Ber. I'm pretty sure that all of us understand that eye candy is not equivalent to ease of use. :)
If that were so. Then why is this thread so long and filled with oohs and aahs? There is really nothing much news to see in shuttle then eyecandy.
I don't think he was implying stupidity -- I think it's just VERY very easy to get seduced by the 'pretty' factor when talking about stuff like this. I know I've been sucked into that before. :-)
I was indeed not implying stupidity, merely showing people that they were indeed seduced by too much pretty stuff. :) Bèr
http://www.brokenkode.com/shuttle
This is awesome!
Spread over with AJAX/JavaScript goodies and even more eye-candy WordPress redesigned their Administration section.. Have a look at the screenshots and enjoy this ride through WP's wonderfull new and improved admin interface.
We already have something like that, thanks to Jon - workspace module. OK, it's not Ajaxy, it doesan't have eye candy by default, but it is very usable, and has been for quite some time. It could be a good starting point forf any development
Honestly, I can't see anything besides the Theme, the help sidebar and a small amount of additonal AJAX that has changed from Wordpress 2.0. Could someone explain to me what the real innovation is here? Don't get me wrong, I don't think that Wordpress' interface is bad or broken, not at all.
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