Update on 5.0 core themes
Hello, Drupal 5.0 beta is most likely going to be released sometime next week. We have one last chance to push through to try and get one (only one) new theme in there (default or otherwise). It will have to be RTBC by Monday at the latest. ------------------------------------------------------ ZEN THEME The Delicious Zen theme has been moved to a project called Zen in an attempt to help push it through to the end. There are only a couple of minor issues left for this theme before it is RTBC, so please help test and fix! current work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/zen project: http://drupal.org/project/zen demos: http://www.drupalart.org/drupal48 http://drupaltheme.lullabot.com/ previous work: http://drupal.org/node/81217 ----------------------------------------------------- THEMETASTIC Themetastic is making some big moves as it proves to be a favorite among core members Steven and Adrian. They are helping Stefan bring it to 5.0. current work: http://drupal.org/node/88202 demo: http://istyledthis.nl/ ----------------------------------------------------- BLUEBREEZE Bluebreeze is based on the zen framework, but borrows some ideas from themetastic. current work: http://drupal.org/node/89497 demo: http://www.xcite-online.de/drupal admin screenshot: http://xcite-online.de/tmpfile/bluebreeze-02.png ---------------------------------------------------- There is very little time left to get one of these ready for core. Zen has been under development the longest, so in my biased opinion is very close. But regardless, please help wherever you feel so inclined. -Farsheed (zirafa) p.s. Steven's post about themes: http://acko.net/blog/a-new-default-theme-for-drupal __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Let us include ALL OF THEM in core. We need the variety and diversity.
Let us include ALL OF THEM in core.
We need the variety and diversity.
On the contrary, I see a large degree of sameness, yes there are differences if you look closely, but they are all basically the same. What core needs is several radically different themes. It is relatively easy to tweak something to something that is close to the same. It is hard to make more radical changes, especially those of us who are not graphic artists. The sameness goes beyond the blueness, I agree with that as a branding issue. It is easy to change to other colors. Yes it is too late to get them in a first beta because they don't exist anywhere yet.
On 19 Oct 2006, at 20:51, Khalid B wrote:
Let us include ALL OF THEM in core.
Maybe, but not in Drupal 5.0. Because time and resources are limited, and because we only promised one new theme, I think we should stick to one theme. We can work towards including more themes in Drupal 6.0. No need to rush this, we've posted patches on more than one occasion. Including all themes creates a ton of extra work which is only going to push back the release date. -- Dries Buytaert :: http://www.buytaert.net/
My understanding (disclaimer: this is only my understanding!) is that Steven is in charge of themes and he is not willing to _work_ on Zen but he _is_ willing to press the big red button if a really, really RTBC theme is presented. I am in favor of this. Themestatic is good to be the default but we are already building our theme on the Zen base (without most of the CSS) and find it an extremely powerful one. Zirafa, Jeff, is the theme RTBC? Who have reviewed it?
Zirafa, Jeff, is the theme RTBC? Who have reviewed it?
We need some more reviewers to take a look at the underlying code. My guess is there is formatting and other inconsistencies that need cleaning up before it is RTBC. I believe the actual styling portion is pretty much done, but other people need to weigh in on that as well. I do know jjeff, myself, m3avrck, quicksketch, and webchick have looked at it. zirafa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
+1 Zen theme -1 including all of them in core. Zen isn't where I would want it to be, but I'm OK with that. It is a great theme system to build from, and that makes it worth its weight. Things I have issue with are mostly minor spacing adjustments that, unless you have a trained eye, you won't notice them. (95% of the people out there.) I really dislike the default font, I'd say go with Sans and then default to something else, but again, this is not a show-stopper. I'm saddened that a lot of the work I put into the theme won't be used, but I do see some hints here and there and a few of my ideas at least given a nod. Everyone has different tastes, and I respect that. Kudos to everyone who has worked on Zen, the istyledthis.nl theme and the others. It's great to see such diversity and work. I for one, welcome my new Drupal 5.0 overlord. Trae On 10/19/06, Farsheed <tfarsheed@yahoo.com> wrote:
Zirafa, Jeff, is the theme RTBC? Who have reviewed it?
We need some more reviewers to take a look at the underlying code. My guess is there is formatting and other inconsistencies that need cleaning up before it is RTBC. I believe the actual styling portion is pretty much done, but other people need to weigh in on that as well.
I do know jjeff, myself, m3avrck, quicksketch, and webchick have looked at it.
zirafa
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-- Trae McCombs || http://occy.net/ Founder - Themes.org // Linux.com
Well, we already have more than one theme in core, so why not in 5.0? If it is because they are not ready, then, yes, it is a valid point. To the authors/maintainers/designers of the themes that don't make it to core, I salute you just as much for your work, and please add your theme to the contrib repository regardless. Perhaps Trae's version of Zen should go into contrib too as a Zen variant.
Just FYI: the bluebreeze theme is based on the html source of the zen theme (slightly modified). So it can serve the same puropses as the zen theme (= be a good base for a new theme to develop). I think it is soon to be RTBC. I got quite a lot of reviews and bug reports on [1]. However, some more reviews would be appreciated. Of course I'm biased as I'm the main developer of the bluebreeze theme, but IMHO it would still be a good default theme, as it is a good source for new themes (zen structure), it has a quite unique style, a liquid and fixed width version and from a usability point of view it serves the purpose of an administration theme quite good IMO. regards, frando Project for bluebreeze: http://drupal.org/project/bluebreeze [1] http://drupal.org/node/89497 Farsheed schrieb:
Hello,
Drupal 5.0 beta is most likely going to be released sometime next week. We have one last chance to push through to try and get one (only one) new theme in there (default or otherwise). It will have to be RTBC by Monday at the latest.
------------------------------------------------------ ZEN THEME
The Delicious Zen theme has been moved to a project called Zen in an attempt to help push it through to the end. There are only a couple of minor issues left for this theme before it is RTBC, so please help test and fix!
current work: http://drupal.org/project/issues/zen project: http://drupal.org/project/zen
demos: http://www.drupalart.org/drupal48 http://drupaltheme.lullabot.com/
previous work: http://drupal.org/node/81217 ----------------------------------------------------- THEMETASTIC
Themetastic is making some big moves as it proves to be a favorite among core members Steven and Adrian. They are helping Stefan bring it to 5.0.
current work: http://drupal.org/node/88202 demo: http://istyledthis.nl/ ----------------------------------------------------- BLUEBREEZE
Bluebreeze is based on the zen framework, but borrows some ideas from themetastic.
current work: http://drupal.org/node/89497 demo: http://www.xcite-online.de/drupal
admin screenshot: http://xcite-online.de/tmpfile/bluebreeze-02.png ----------------------------------------------------
There is very little time left to get one of these ready for core. Zen has been under development the longest, so in my biased opinion is very close. But regardless, please help wherever you feel so inclined.
-Farsheed (zirafa)
p.s. Steven's post about themes: http://acko.net/blog/a-new-default-theme-for-drupal
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Op 20-okt-2006, om 12:18 heeft Frando (Franz Heinzmann) het volgende geschreven:
Just FYI: the bluebreeze theme is based on the html source of the zen theme (slightly modified). So it can serve the same puropses as the zen theme (= be a good base for a new theme to develop). <snip>...</snip> Of course I'm biased as I'm the main developer of the bluebreeze theme, but IMHO it would still be a good default theme, as it is a good source for new themes (zen structure), it has a quite unique style, a liquid and fixed width version and from a usability point of view it serves the purpose of an administration theme quite good IMO.
Ehmm... First of all, if a theme looks good is a matter of personal opinion and I'm not going to argue here wether your theme should make it into core or because it is - by your words - good looking. But what I am interested in, is why you say this: "from a usability point of view it serves the purpose of an administration theme quite good IMO". Can you elaborate on that? Why do you think that *your* theme is doing a better job as the administration theme, than the current ones we have in core, or "Delicously Zen/Blue/whatever-its-called" or ThemeTastic? I'm not trying to be unpolitefull, but after some looks at your theme i think: - it's not very spectacular from a designers point of view; - i don't see in any aspect why it is made/optimised from a usability point of view (this is btw not your fault, but drupals); And besides that, I feel pretty uncomfortable that it's based on the themetastic colourscheme, and you took the icons *I* made for themetastic and included them into your theme without *any* way of letting me at least know about it. (Seems to me the least thing you could do). Kind regards, Stefan Main developer of ThemeTastic (which isn't based on any other theme at all, because I _do_ have inspiration)
Stefan Main developer of ThemeTastic (which isn't based on any other theme at all, because I _do_ have inspiration)
Contributing to a free, GNU software project inevitably means people will borrow ideas. You do give up ownership of your ideas to benefit the community, to some extent. If he's borrowing things from your theme and being inspired, consider it a compliment. ;) zirafa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Op 20-okt-2006, om 21:17 heeft Farsheed het volgende geschreven:
Stefan Main developer of ThemeTastic (which isn't based on any other theme at all, because I _do_ have inspiration)
Contributing to a free, GNU software project inevitably means people will borrow ideas. You do give up ownership of your ideas to benefit the community, to some extent.
If he's borrowing things from your theme and being inspired, consider it a compliment. ;)
zirafa
Zirafa, with all do respect I don't care how you think about this. It's not the fact that the theme inspires him, it's more that he litterally stole the icons without even asking/informing me about it.. Stefan
I don't wanna start a flame-war or anything but I think zirafa is right. Though we have lost focus here, we shouldn't focus on who did what, but to get a nice theme into core. I guess that Frando saw and played around with zen and themetastic and came up with this one. That's the spirit of open-source! Please great themers, kill each other after we have a nice theme in core. ;) On 10/21/06, Stefan Nagtegaal <Drupal-Devel@istyledthis.nl> wrote:
Op 20-okt-2006, om 21:17 heeft Farsheed het volgende geschreven:
Stefan Main developer of ThemeTastic (which isn't based on any other theme at all, because I _do_ have inspiration)
Contributing to a free, GNU software project inevitably means people will borrow ideas. You do give up ownership of your ideas to benefit the community, to some extent.
If he's borrowing things from your theme and being inspired, consider it a compliment. ;)
zirafa
Zirafa, with all do respect I don't care how you think about this. It's not the fact that the theme inspires him, it's more that he litterally stole the icons without even asking/informing me about it..
Stefan
Stefan Nagtegaal wrote:
Stefan Main developer of ThemeTastic (which isn't based on any other theme at all, because I _do_ have inspiration)
Contributing to a free, GNU software project inevitably means people will borrow ideas. You do give up ownership of your ideas to benefit the community, to some extent.
If he's borrowing things from your theme and being inspired, consider it a compliment. ;)
Zirafa, with all do respect I don't care how you think about this. It's not the fact that the theme inspires him, it's more that he litterally stole the icons without even asking/informing me about it..
Stefan, since you are contributing under the GPL, maybe you care about what the GPL says about notifying the original author about reuse of his work. It is not a requirement of reuse, so omitting it does not imply "literally stealing" stuff. You should get prepared that if your theme gets into core, or it "just" gets popular without getting into core, people will borrow from it and port it to other CMS products in the spirit of the GPL. Without asking/informing you about it. Look at the available versions of eg. the Wordpress default theme. It is popular, it was getting modded, modded versions were released, and people are happy about it. If you are building a popular theme released under the GPL, you are directly walking on the same road. Gabor
participants (10)
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Dries Buytaert -
Farsheed -
Frando (Franz Heinzmann) -
Gabor Hojtsy -
Johan Forngren -
Karoly Negyesi -
Khalid B -
Stefan Nagtegaal -
Trae McCombs -
Walt Daniels