May I ask why Drupal ships with code-clean.sh and code-style.pl? Thanks -K
May I ask why Drupal ships with code-clean.sh and code-style.pl?
Because there is little harm in doing so - the .htaccess file prevents remote access to them. -- Morbus Iff ( take your rosaries off my ovaries ) Technical: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779 Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus
Op zondag 5 maart 2006 19:54, schreef Morbus Iff:
Because there is little harm in doing so - the .htaccess file prevents remote access to them.
I can think of a gazillion things that we could ship and prevent access to with .htaccess :) The fact that we can hide it, is not the reason for shipping them. In the past, Drupal was very developers aimed. Simply bacause all users were developers. At that time it was usefull to ship with some handy developers tools. Now that we have better tools available, and more diverse, the only reason, AFAIK is because no-one stood up and really made an effort for removing them. Its far easier to simply whip with themp, then to go trough all the hassle of getting them out. So, I would say, its mostly 'lack of interestest' (call it lack of itch) that is reason for keeping them there. And also: everyone who can use these tools, can find them in contrib too, people being able to run a code style script (let alone know the meaning/use of it) know how to find Cool Stuff in contribs etc. Bèr -- PGP ber@webschuur.com http://www.webschuur.com/sites/webschuur.com/files/ber_webschuur.asc PGP berkessels@gmx.net http://www.webschuur.com/sites/webschuur.com/files/ber_gmx.asc Sympal draait nu voor het grootste deel al op 4.7: http://help.sympal.nl/sympal_draait_nu_voor_het_grootste_deel_al_op_4_7
+1, but I thought this was already discussed and decided :) Goba Bèr Kessels wrote:
Op zondag 5 maart 2006 19:54, schreef Morbus Iff:
Because there is little harm in doing so - the .htaccess file prevents remote access to them.
I can think of a gazillion things that we could ship and prevent access to with .htaccess :) The fact that we can hide it, is not the reason for shipping them.
In the past, Drupal was very developers aimed. Simply bacause all users were developers. At that time it was usefull to ship with some handy developers tools.
Now that we have better tools available, and more diverse, the only reason, AFAIK is because no-one stood up and really made an effort for removing them. Its far easier to simply whip with themp, then to go trough all the hassle of getting them out. So, I would say, its mostly 'lack of interestest' (call it lack of itch) that is reason for keeping them there.
And also: everyone who can use these tools, can find them in contrib too, people being able to run a code style script (let alone know the meaning/use of it) know how to find Cool Stuff in contribs etc.
Bèr
This is another case that can be solved by reorganizing the directory structure. If scripts are outside DocumentRoot, and under a devel directory, then there are no issues. Here are links to previous discussions http://lists.drupal.org/archives/development/2005-05/msg00332.html http://lists.drupal.org/archives/development/2006-01/msg00076.html The same cause for CHANGELOG.txt, update.php, and many other things. On 3/5/06, Gabor Hojtsy <gabor@hojtsy.hu> wrote:
+1, but I thought this was already discussed and decided :)
Goba
Bèr Kessels wrote:
Op zondag 5 maart 2006 19:54, schreef Morbus Iff:
Because there is little harm in doing so - the .htaccess file prevents remote access to them.
I can think of a gazillion things that we could ship and prevent access to with .htaccess :) The fact that we can hide it, is not the reason for shipping them.
In the past, Drupal was very developers aimed. Simply bacause all users were developers. At that time it was usefull to ship with some handy developers tools.
Now that we have better tools available, and more diverse, the only reason, AFAIK is because no-one stood up and really made an effort for removing them. Its far easier to simply whip with themp, then to go trough all the hassle of getting them out. So, I would say, its mostly 'lack of interestest' (call it lack of itch) that is reason for keeping them there.
And also: everyone who can use these tools, can find them in contrib too, people being able to run a code style script (let alone know the meaning/use of it) know how to find Cool Stuff in contribs etc.
Bèr
It is not a good way to misdirect this discussion to recite some larger scope discussions IMHO. Those scripts have nothing to do in the Drupal distro nowadays, regardless of where are they. Goba Khalid B wrote:
This is another case that can be solved by reorganizing the directory structure. If scripts are outside DocumentRoot, and under a devel directory, then there are no issues.
Here are links to previous discussions http://lists.drupal.org/archives/development/2005-05/msg00332.html http://lists.drupal.org/archives/development/2006-01/msg00076.html
The same cause for CHANGELOG.txt, update.php, and many other things.
On 3/5/06, Gabor Hojtsy <gabor@hojtsy.hu> wrote:
+1, but I thought this was already discussed and decided :)
Goba
Bèr Kessels wrote:
Op zondag 5 maart 2006 19:54, schreef Morbus Iff:
Because there is little harm in doing so - the .htaccess file prevents remote access to them.
I can think of a gazillion things that we could ship and prevent access to with .htaccess :) The fact that we can hide it, is not the reason for shipping them.
In the past, Drupal was very developers aimed. Simply bacause all users were developers. At that time it was usefull to ship with some handy developers tools.
Now that we have better tools available, and more diverse, the only reason, AFAIK is because no-one stood up and really made an effort for removing them. Its far easier to simply whip with themp, then to go trough all the hassle of getting them out. So, I would say, its mostly 'lack of interestest' (call it lack of itch) that is reason for keeping them there.
And also: everyone who can use these tools, can find them in contrib too, people being able to run a code style script (let alone know the meaning/use of it) know how to find Cool Stuff in contribs etc.
Bèr
I agree that removing them from the distribution is the better solution. Just pointing out to a recurring discussion that helps in similar cases. On 3/5/06, Gabor Hojtsy <gabor@hojtsy.hu> wrote:
It is not a good way to misdirect this discussion to recite some larger scope discussions IMHO. Those scripts have nothing to do in the Drupal distro nowadays, regardless of where are they.
Goba
Khalid B wrote:
This is another case that can be solved by reorganizing the directory structure. If scripts are outside DocumentRoot, and under a devel directory, then there are no issues.
Here are links to previous discussions http://lists.drupal.org/archives/development/2005-05/msg00332.html http://lists.drupal.org/archives/development/2006-01/msg00076.html
The same cause for CHANGELOG.txt, update.php, and many other things.
On 3/5/06, Gabor Hojtsy <gabor@hojtsy.hu> wrote:
+1, but I thought this was already discussed and decided :)
Goba
Bèr Kessels wrote:
Op zondag 5 maart 2006 19:54, schreef Morbus Iff:
Because there is little harm in doing so - the .htaccess file prevents remote access to them.
I can think of a gazillion things that we could ship and prevent access to with .htaccess :) The fact that we can hide it, is not the reason for shipping them.
In the past, Drupal was very developers aimed. Simply bacause all users were developers. At that time it was usefull to ship with some handy developers tools.
Now that we have better tools available, and more diverse, the only reason, AFAIK is because no-one stood up and really made an effort for removing them. Its far easier to simply whip with themp, then to go trough all the hassle of getting them out. So, I would say, its mostly 'lack of interestest' (call it lack of itch) that is reason for keeping them there.
And also: everyone who can use these tools, can find them in contrib too, people being able to run a code style script (let alone know the meaning/use of it) know how to find Cool Stuff in contribs etc.
Bèr
I've created a task for this: http://drupal.org/node/52575 Thanks -K
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