I thought I would throw something else out there. I had a chance to hear rich bowden of apache documentation do a talk about apache modules that most people didn't know existed. He talked about AcceptPathInfo directive. He suggested it be used instead of mod_rewrite for urls like http://www.example.com/articles/155. I attempted to implement it and i got pretty far except http://www.example.com/admin will not load admin panel. It had to be http://www.example.com/index/admin. So i just gave up. But if someone thinks they can figure it out drupal might see a speed increase. If someone smarter then me can figure it out might see a significant speed increase. Or perhaps you guys already had this discussion. Also might be the way to move away from unclean urls all together? Anyways, pay little mind to the ponderings of me Also of note, AcceptPathInfo is Apache2. Scott