January 2006 - support - lists.drupal.org

Revsion history of a document.
by Alex Polite 16 Jan '06

16 Jan '06

How do I view the revision history of a node? I feel like a complete moron not being able to figure this out? TIA alex -- Alex Polite http://flosspick.org - finding the right open source

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Re: [support] excessive bandwith usage
by Kobus Myburgh 16 Jan '06

16 Jan '06

Larry - that seems to be the problem. You could cut your usage with 76%+ if you get rid of this... Regards, Kobus >>> naasei(a)gmail.com 1/16/2006 11:33:07 AM >>> Skip, My badnwith is more than that. if my bandwith is pver 150GB for this monthly. I have been asked by the hoting company to solve it by today or stop using their shared server. Looking at my referrers,I notice that example.com/admin_users_refresh.php has 32350 which is 76.17% of the total hits. This is craty syntax, a live help OS tht I use to monitor the site. Could this be the problem? Regards larry On 1/16/06, Skip Taylor <avskip(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Larry, > > I had something similar happen. I wasn't warned by the hosting company, but > I did notice my bandwidth was way out of line. > > My server log had grown to 300+MB and my bandwidth was at 2+GB. > > It turned out that Google had used up 1.6GB bandwidth in that one month and > most of the log was the Googlebot having it's own party. > > I wrote to them and asked them to look into it and it stopped. > > Maybe it's something like this? > > Regards, > Skip > > > On 1/15/06, Larry <naasei(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Greetings all, > > > > My site appears to be using too much bandwith. Iam on a shared hosting > > server and my provider has told me I am using in excess of 16% whilst > > I am only allowed 3% > > It also appears there about 50,000 visitors a day to the site which > > is a bit alrming as I have less than 300 members, > > > > What modules or scripts do you guys think are causing this excessive > > bandwith usage? > > I am running drupal 4.63 > > > > regards > > > > Larry > > -- > > [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ] > > > > > -- > [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ] > > -- London Networking EXPO™ - "The Ultimate Business Networking Experience™ in Europe! Tel 08701994474

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RE: [support] Re: CVS account and need for a drupal desigchampion....
by Steven Peck 16 Jan '06

16 Jan '06

You included in your email message hyperbole. You made characterizations with leading questions that merely serve to inflame and exacerbate the situation then contribute towards a solution. I, as part of the community working towards improving it, felt attacked by your forwarded message. I don't understand why you make ME feel bad with the leading phrases in your complaints. You started the conversation with the phrasing that you were being insulted. You are not being insulted. You never were. You still aren't. Again, you are reading into the message that which is not there. I took the time to answer and explain that no one is getting in your way. That people are working towards better solutions and that at least one of those answers was in the email you forwarded. I explained part of how the current system works. You characterize the 'system' as insulting or rude. A large part of the 'system' as you put it is people. A large part of the 'process' is manual. There is no autonomous 'system' that sits in a vacuum and does 'things'. People are working to make it better. Perhaps you could have replied back to Gerhard and asked what you could do to help. As to what to do in your situation? I would have replied back and asked what was the next step. Your original question appeared to have been answered. Again, as indicated in the original message, Gerhard is working on a solution to automate this. Until recently, it wasn't possible. And finally once again, no one is insulting you. No one is ridiculing you. Gerhard did not. I did not. Again, you are portraying yourself as the victim when you are not. I understand where you are coming from. Perhaps (other than automating the process which you have already been informed is being worked on) you could suggest specific improvements and wording to the documentation to help others avoid the experiance. Your phrasing was perhaps not the best way to introduce discussion about the issue you have experienced and how to work towards a process that helps improve that experiance for others. I would suggest you start with Gerhard as he is one of those working on improving the process. -sp ________________________________ From: support-bounces(a)drupal.org on behalf of Isaac Horton Sent: Sun 1/15/2006 1:29 PM To: support(a)drupal.org Subject: Re: [support] Re: CVS account and need for a drupal desigchampion.... i never said anyone (a person) is getting in my way. im merely telling you all because im about to bail out... without giving my contributions to the community. its not my intention. just the system appears to be set up that way... I never said any person has been rude to me.. on the contrary... but the system is rude to me... isnt that fair to say? I see people requesting for more and better themes and when i try to volunteer/contribute. im not able easily.. the reason i forwarded this message to support is because this is a big enough issue for me to stop contributing. im working right now with Kieran Lal to try to redesign the flow of the admin interface for the drupal community. im not griping a diatribe! this is valid and you should really do your best to see where im coming from . labeling me as someone who is using buzz words to get attention does nothing to address the issues im raising. in fact your attitude is anything but understanding of my situation... My question to the drupal community is what do you do when someone like me has a problem? You said in your email steven that drupal is in need of volunteers.. hello... thats what im trying to do... and i cant.... is that not needed to be said? i dont understand why you make me feel bad when all im trying to do is let you all know whats happening to me so WE can keep it from happening to other people.... read my email again if youre confused... im not blaming any person... but i am stating the truth of my experience... you can accept it or not... but its my truth regardless... and the fact is im a good designer too, and it might even benefit to help me out a little to get on board.... right now im feeling attacked by your letter oh well im still writing because i care about the WHOLE and i want others to be able to contribute easily too... whats wrong with wanting all of that. and why am i being ridiculed for giving feedback? how do you expect to make the system better.... where am i supposed to put this message? these are all unanswered questions by me... Steven Peck wrote: No, actually, it did not need to be said. Gerhard said in his message that he was writing a module to do this. We suffer from a terminal lack of volunteers willing to do work of any type. So some things get more attention when those willing and able have the time to do so. Only in December did the complete infrastructure of Drupal.org finally get moved. This infrastructure change itself is what has made it possible to even have this happen and took a few people a lot of man hours of work to accomplish. These things take time. They take human beings real hours and real days to do. No one is trying to 'insult' you and I had to count to 10 a few times at your presumption that anyone was before I composed this message. To be clear: NO ONE IS DELIBERATELY GETTING IN YOUR WAY! Using buzz word compliant terms like 'win/win' without offers to work/work/collaborate doesn't help. Especially when nowhere in that polite message back to you did anyone tell you to go &^%$ yourself. Using such inflammatory phrasing is an Internet troll trick to create a problem or pick a fight while portraying yourself as the victim. Gerhard informed you in his polite message that he was working on this so obviously he cares, yet you launched into your diatribe anyway. -sp ________________________________ From: support-bounces(a)drupal.org on behalf of Isaac Horton Sent: Sun 1/15/2006 11:18 AM To: Gerhard Killesreiter; support(a)drupal.org Subject: [support] Re: CVS account and need for a drupal design champion.... This is exactly the kind of response that leaves me wondering..... im just trying to get into the contributions. i can login via eclipse anonymously no problem. this raises a much bigger issue. . It works like this for me.. ive got x % of time to donate to the "drupal cause". so far for me 60% of x has been spent in frustration due to no cvs access, poor themeing structure and loose organizational support of design in the drupal community? how much can I endure, before ive become worn and jaded to whats really possible here?? (how many before me have just walked away after confronting such difficulty?) i feel like the type of contributions someone like me (a designer) can make is drastically limited because of the extra hoops I have to jump through. just to contribute..aka(volunteer)? im growing weary of trying so hard... Its insulting and further incentive to use other tools that manifest a more win/win (timesaving)approach vs. the standard drupal approach that ive observed...."make it really hard, really really hard to contribute.... and if youre a designer.... well just go &^%$ yourself... and go away" (or be prepared to donate a vast amount of time to do something that other orgs have automated and appear to care more about. i like drupal. i want to help... but i can only "tread water"(keep it up) for so long while the system thats currently in place serves to suppress my motivation. Isnt there anyone in the Drupal Core team who "champions" the need for good design? will this ever be addressed? Does anyone even care? sorry for the gurmbles! but this needs to be said....... -Isaac Gerhard Killesreiter wrote: Isaac Horton wrote: Im just wondering what every happened to my cvs account request. supposedly i was added but when i try to login, i can only do it anonymously. ive tried a million combination of my passcodes and now its been quite a few months and i still cant offer up the contributions Ive created? I dont want to be a pain in the ass but is there any way you can reset my cvs account password????? First of all: Which repository are you trying to access? Second: no, I can't reset the password, but I am writing a Drupal module that will allow you to do that after it is insallted on drupal.org. Cheers, Gerhard

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RE: [support] Re: CVS account and need for a drupal design champion....
by Steven Peck 15 Jan '06

15 Jan '06

No, actually, it did not need to be said. Gerhard said in his message that he was writing a module to do this. We suffer from a terminal lack of volunteers willing to do work of any type. So some things get more attention when those willing and able have the time to do so. Only in December did the complete infrastructure of Drupal.org finally get moved. This infrastructure change itself is what has made it possible to even have this happen and took a few people a lot of man hours of work to accomplish. These things take time. They take human beings real hours and real days to do. No one is trying to 'insult' you and I had to count to 10 a few times at your presumption that anyone was before I composed this message. To be clear: NO ONE IS DELIBERATELY GETTING IN YOUR WAY! Using buzz word compliant terms like 'win/win' without offers to work/work/collaborate doesn't help. Especially when nowhere in that polite message back to you did anyone tell you to go &^%$ yourself. Using such inflammatory phrasing is an Internet troll trick to create a problem or pick a fight while portraying yourself as the victim. Gerhard informed you in his polite message that he was working on this so obviously he cares, yet you launched into your diatribe anyway. -sp ________________________________ From: support-bounces(a)drupal.org on behalf of Isaac Horton Sent: Sun 1/15/2006 11:18 AM To: Gerhard Killesreiter; support(a)drupal.org Subject: [support] Re: CVS account and need for a drupal design champion.... This is exactly the kind of response that leaves me wondering..... im just trying to get into the contributions. i can login via eclipse anonymously no problem. this raises a much bigger issue. . It works like this for me.. ive got x % of time to donate to the "drupal cause". so far for me 60% of x has been spent in frustration due to no cvs access, poor themeing structure and loose organizational support of design in the drupal community? how much can I endure, before ive become worn and jaded to whats really possible here?? (how many before me have just walked away after confronting such difficulty?) i feel like the type of contributions someone like me (a designer) can make is drastically limited because of the extra hoops I have to jump through. just to contribute..aka(volunteer)? im growing weary of trying so hard... Its insulting and further incentive to use other tools that manifest a more win/win (timesaving)approach vs. the standard drupal approach that ive observed...."make it really hard, really really hard to contribute.... and if youre a designer.... well just go &^%$ yourself... and go away" (or be prepared to donate a vast amount of time to do something that other orgs have automated and appear to care more about. i like drupal. i want to help... but i can only "tread water"(keep it up) for so long while the system thats currently in place serves to suppress my motivation. Isnt there anyone in the Drupal Core team who "champions" the need for good design? will this ever be addressed? Does anyone even care? sorry for the gurmbles! but this needs to be said....... -Isaac Gerhard Killesreiter wrote: Isaac Horton wrote: Im just wondering what every happened to my cvs account request. supposedly i was added but when i try to login, i can only do it anonymously. ive tried a million combination of my passcodes and now its been quite a few months and i still cant offer up the contributions Ive created? I dont want to be a pain in the ass but is there any way you can reset my cvs account password????? First of all: Which repository are you trying to access? Second: no, I can't reset the password, but I am writing a Drupal module that will allow you to do that after it is insallted on drupal.org. Cheers, Gerhard

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Php memory limit
by Mark Shropshire 15 Jan '06

15 Jan '06

Is there a recommended starting value for the php memory_limit for Drupal? 8MB seems to be the php default. Thanks, Mark

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Re: CVS account and need for a drupal design champion....
by Isaac Horton 15 Jan '06

15 Jan '06

This is exactly the kind of response that leaves me wondering..... im just trying to get into the contributions. i can login via eclipse anonymously no problem. this raises a much bigger issue. . It works like this for me.. ive got x % of time to donate to the "drupal cause". so far for me 60% of x has been spent in frustration due to no cvs access, poor themeing structure and loose organizational support of design in the drupal community? how much can I endure, before ive become worn and jaded to whats really possible here?? (how many before me have just walked away after confronting such difficulty?) i feel like the type of contributions someone like me (a designer) can make is _drastically _limited because of the extra hoops I have to jump through. just to contribute..aka(volunteer)? im growing weary of trying so hard... Its insulting and further incentive to use other tools that manifest a more win/win (timesaving)approach vs. the standard drupal approach that ive observed...."make it really hard, really really hard to contribute.... and if youre a designer.... well just go &^%$ yourself... and go away" (or be prepared to donate a vast amount of time to do something that other orgs have automated and appear to care more about. i like drupal. i want to help... but i can only "tread water"(keep it up) for so long while the system thats currently in place serves to suppress my motivation. Isnt there anyone in the Drupal Core team who "champions" the need for good design? will this ever be addressed? Does anyone even care? sorry for the gurmbles! but this needs to be said....... -Isaac Gerhard Killesreiter wrote: > Isaac Horton wrote: > >> Im just wondering what every happened to my cvs account request. >> supposedly i was added but when i try to login, i can only do it >> anonymously. >> ive tried a million combination of my passcodes and now its been >> quite a few months and i still cant offer up the contributions Ive >> created? >> I dont want to be a pain in the ass but is there any way you can >> reset my cvs account password????? >> > > First of all: Which repository are you trying to access? Second: no, I > can't reset the password, but I am writing a Drupal module that will > allow you to do that after it is insallted on drupal.org. > > Cheers, > Gerhard > > >

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RE: [support] Basic help getting started
by Steven Peck 15 Jan '06

15 Jan '06

There is NO centralized Fantastico install of Drupal. Fantastico installs are maintained by individual service providers. I think I will add a page with common Fantastico issues reported by users to the handbook. The most common is that people never read the install.txt and miss step 6, a very important step. There is a handbook page: Drupal version numbers and which version you should use http://drupal.org/node/27362 in the top level of the /handbook page that explains this. ________________________________ From: support-bounces(a)drupal.org on behalf of Bruce Whealton Sent: Sat 1/14/2006 9:04 AM To: support(a)drupal.org Subject: RE: [support] Basic help getting started I noticed something interesting. The documentation was pointing out how incompatible 4.7 4.6, 4.5, and 4.4 are in terms of themes, and perhaps modules. Fantatico is used for the installations of Drupal and it now installs Drupal 4.5 I think. So, when the themes that I got that were 4.6 versions seemed to work, the idea that I was using the 4.6 version of the theme may have explained some few bugs or problems. They seemed to work ok, but I guess that might explain some things. I just noticed that the themes and modules have different versions that just won't work if paired with the wrong version of Drupal. So, we don't have backwards compatibility with themes or modules, correct? Bruce Steven Peck <speck(a)blkmtn.org> wrote: menu_otf or menu on the fly module. The functionality is built into Drupal 4.7. ________________________________ From: support-bounces(a)drupal.org on behalf of Jason Flatt Sent: Thu 1/12/2006 7:22 PM To: support(a)drupal.org Subject: Re: [support] Basic help getting started On Thursday 12 January 2006 07:30, Bruce Whealton wrote: > > Here's another question relating to the prior posts I had on creating > content and adding it to a menu. I thought that there was a way to have a > story, page, book page, etc when you publish it select where it should > appear on the menu, i.e. with parent Navigation or parent mycustom > menu/mysubmenu etc. Can that be done and how? It is not automatic, but you can create menu and submenu items like you are asking about. First you have to make sure the Menu module is enabled in admin/modules. Next go to admin/menu and go to town. You can add menu items to the main Navigation menu, or add a separate menu. If you add a new menu, you'll need to go to admin/block to show it. > Then the question that follows is what I think is already answered for me > sufficiently. But, I was planning to create a site with Drupal for an > Architectural firm. The idea was to give them a way to maintain the site, > update it, etc. without me when I finish. I'm not assuming the customer > can do any programming or web design. That can and has been done for > companies/customers, with Drupal, correct? Only when certain > administrative tasks are required would they need to call me again. That's > reasonable to do with Drupal, correct? Thanks, Yes, that is correct. -- Jason Flatt http://www.oadae.net/ jason(a)oadae.net -- [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ] -- [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ] +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Bruce Whealton - Webmaster/Designer/publisher/Writer admin(a)TriangleWebServcies.com Street Exposure - Street Newspaper http://StreetExposure.blogspot.com/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ________________________________ Yahoo! Photos - Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/photobooks/*http://pa.yahoo.com/*ht…> . You design it and we'll bind it!

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Continuing with creating menus and uploading
by Bruce Whealton 14 Jan '06

14 Jan '06

Hi all, I was talking earlier about just some real basic ideas in setting up a site. Following up on some ideas, I've added some questions which hopefully can be broken down by paragraph as to what I'm asking. Basically I'm trying to make it easy to get someone quickly to the right place in the site, saving them from too many steps and confusing decisions to make. 1) I don't mind letting even anonymous visitors submit content as long as they won't 1get published without the editors (where editors, publishers etc or roles I setup) deciding on what we will publish. I can prohibit anyone without the proper priviledges from being able to submit any content and have it show up published on the site, be it, blog, story, page, etc. Correct? 2) Can I create a menu option that takes on directly to a form page? For example, instead of having a person go to create content then selecting from among, story, page, blog, just take them to the form with content type selected already. I don't want to confuse a member who might want to contribute a story or other content of a textual nature, where they might wonder, do I contribute a story, or a page or what? 2 cont.) What I need is paths that go directly to the relevent page based on items selected from a menu or submenu. So, as long as the full path can be determined then one doesn't need to go like this content>>add content>>story and then see the form. I'd want a menu item perhaps, like Send us a story and take them to the page where they start typing into the form? 3) Also, I have a customer needing to send some files, photos, and some descriptive text. So, I could say go to my web site (which would be one of my drupal installations), then select, send us information, which would maybe open up a form for entering a story, and include an upload or attach link. So, send us information would take them right there to that form from my custom menu that might appear anywhere. It would just need the full path, right? to the form page with the content type selected by the actions of the link I setup. Can that be done? 3 cont) Can I allow one single upload to include more than one file? Such as uploading some 5 (or any number up to a certain limit) files which might be image files, text, zip files, etc? Thanks all, Bruce +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Bruce Whealton - Webmaster/Designer/publisher/Writer admin(a)TriangleWebServcies.com Street Exposure - Street Newspaper http://StreetExposure.blogspot.com/ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos Ring in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever.

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RE: [support] Basic help getting started
by Steven Peck 14 Jan '06

14 Jan '06

menu_otf or menu on the fly module. The functionality is built into Drupal 4.7. ________________________________ From: support-bounces(a)drupal.org on behalf of Jason Flatt Sent: Thu 1/12/2006 7:22 PM To: support(a)drupal.org Subject: Re: [support] Basic help getting started On Thursday 12 January 2006 07:30, Bruce Whealton wrote: > > Here's another question relating to the prior posts I had on creating > content and adding it to a menu. I thought that there was a way to have a > story, page, book page, etc when you publish it select where it should > appear on the menu, i.e. with parent Navigation or parent mycustom > menu/mysubmenu etc. Can that be done and how? It is not automatic, but you can create menu and submenu items like you are asking about. First you have to make sure the Menu module is enabled in admin/modules. Next go to admin/menu and go to town. You can add menu items to the main Navigation menu, or add a separate menu. If you add a new menu, you'll need to go to admin/block to show it. > Then the question that follows is what I think is already answered for me > sufficiently. But, I was planning to create a site with Drupal for an > Architectural firm. The idea was to give them a way to maintain the site, > update it, etc. without me when I finish. I'm not assuming the customer > can do any programming or web design. That can and has been done for > companies/customers, with Drupal, correct? Only when certain > administrative tasks are required would they need to call me again. That's > reasonable to do with Drupal, correct? Thanks, Yes, that is correct. -- Jason Flatt http://www.oadae.net/ jason(a)oadae.net -- [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ]

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RE: [support] Basic help getting started
by Metzler, David 14 Jan '06

14 Jan '06

I've been dialoging with someone else outside of this list. I've figured out two ways to do this automatically that I thought I'd share: Enable the "book Navigation Block" to generate your navigation based on book navigation menus. Non-book node types can be assigned to the book navigation menus using the "Outline tab" when you publish the content. Or you can just build the navigation by making most of your pages book pages. Use the taxonomy_menu module to have menus generated based on "categories" you assign to content as you publish the content. Each menu is then a list of nodes/teasers based on categories. The content can show up in mutiple places this way. I'll be really interested to explore menus on the fly in Drupal 4.7. By the by anyone heard of an official release date? I've been watching the drupal site with baited breath. :) Dave -----Original Message----- From: support-bounces(a)drupal.org [mailto:support-bounces@drupal.org] On Behalf Of Jason Flatt Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 7:23 PM To: support(a)drupal.org Subject: Re: [support] Basic help getting started On Thursday 12 January 2006 07:30, Bruce Whealton wrote: > > Here's another question relating to the prior posts I had on > creating content and adding it to a menu. I thought that there was a > way to have a story, page, book page, etc when you publish it select > where it should appear on the menu, i.e. with parent Navigation or > parent mycustom menu/mysubmenu etc. Can that be done and how? It is not automatic, but you can create menu and submenu items like you are asking about. First you have to make sure the Menu module is enabled in admin/modules. Next go to admin/menu and go to town. You can add menu items to the main Navigation menu, or add a separate menu. If you add a new menu, you'll need to go to admin/block to show it. > Then the question that follows is what I think is already answered > for me sufficiently. But, I was planning to create a site with Drupal > for an Architectural firm. The idea was to give them a way to > maintain the site, update it, etc. without me when I finish. I'm not > assuming the customer can do any programming or web design. That can > and has been done for companies/customers, with Drupal, correct? Only > when certain administrative tasks are required would they need to call > me again. That's reasonable to do with Drupal, correct? Thanks, Yes, that is correct. -- Jason Flatt http://www.oadae.net/ jason(a)oadae.net -- [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ]

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