[consulting] Drupal Certification and Requirements
mistknight at gmail.com
Fri Dec 21 12:56:30 UTC 2007
Certificates are plain waste of time and effort. Especially with things like
the test king that make idiots top scorers, it simply is a waste of time.
Worse yet is certificates which are expensive enough to prevent some people
from getting. To top all that, they simply concentrate on memory rather than
problem solving skills which is what really distinguishes a good developer
from a book worm. I've been a developer and in two years took on the
position of technology expert, I developed in VB, .NET, JAVA and PHP, I
don't much care what language I program in. Problem solving skills are
If I look for a beginner then what I interview is simply a charismatic
personality and I try to gouge the effort they put to learn, how they would
approach a problem. I could ask about code they attempted to tinker with.
Usually assets are the type who have played with a couple of projects or
ideas at one time or another. If I look for an expert I simply look at his
achievements as well as his personality.
In the end the ultimate decision is not a risk-free endeavor. But I agree
with Victor, a company has to be prepared to truly nurture people rather
than draining them and expecting perfection and leaving no margins for an
error or a delay here or there. When I want someone who I would consider an
asset, I would not care in the least what languages he worked with, it
usually takes so little time for an exceptional developer to get acquainted
with new technology if given a book or a kick start. In case of drupal
expertise, just look for someone with contributions such as modules or
patches to modules or core. It's that simple.
On Dec 21, 2007 2:31 PM, Liam McDermott <liam at intermedia-online.com> wrote:
> Victor Kane wrote:
> > All posts here are well meaning... but there are a few premises which in
> > my opinion are faulty and bear deeper examination.
> Very interesting reply. I have to say though, it doesn't really seem to
> have much to do with what everyone else was talking about. :)
> > Drupal's intelligence as being practically a virtual machine while
> > remaining procedural, its clean super modular approach, etc., is a
> > result of what already works: the bazaar: we must avoid the temptation
> > of the cathedral.
> Absolutely and good point. I think that's why most people in this thread
> were saying we don't need certification. Personally I just treated as an
> interesting brain teaser, just trying to think of a certification method
> that would work.
> > The corporate world has been with Drupal for quite some time now, and is
> > enjoying it as it is.
> I don't know, my wife works at a well known tech university and they're
> standardising on Sharepoint. In fact Sharepoint is gaining a scary
> amount of traction. There's always room for improvement, particularly in
> ways that will increase the credibility of Drupal in the world of the
> > So I would submit for consideration the counterpart: the instability of
> > many corporations and NGO's lead to excessive demands, the need for
> > everything to be ready "yesterday", the need to extract a pound of flesh
> > from the hirelings. More than certification, we need a bloody union.
> Hmmm, not sure about this. Employment law is good enough in most
> countries is good enough to negate the need for unions, depends where
> you are I suppose. Perhaps a co-op would be a better idea?
> > More than certification we need a bloody union!!!
> Isn't this a false dichotomy? Couldn't we have both: the community could
> organise the certification. To continue the Bazaar approach: the exams
> could consist of work that contributes to the community.
> Kind Regards,
> Liam McDermott.
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