[consulting] Drupal Certification

Victor Kane victorkane at gmail.com
Fri Aug 7 16:15:00 UTC 2009

It is amazing what assumptions people bring to the table.See below.

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Laura <pinglaura at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Aug 7, 2009, at Fri 8/7/09 9:09am, Greg Knaddison wrote:
>  On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg<Alex at zivtech.com>
>> wrote:
>>> But still, what about a Drupal Developers/Shops Guild?
>> 3-4 years ago folks started down this path.  It died fairly quickly.
>> I don't think it would actually be helpful at solving the problems it
>> sets out to solve, though maybe the market is different enough now in
>> some way that it would be helpful.
> I'm fairly skeptical of this, for a number of reasons:
> 1 - It's a way of making money off of developers, instead of helping
> clients.
> 2 - It injects politics.

Politics are always injected. Especially when different class interests are
being served.

Especially when the status quo is assumed to be taken for granted.

Right now, joblessness has created a situation where hundreds, perhaps
thousands, of people are forced to go into "freelancing" as a hidden form of
unemployment, and many of them are turning to Drupal.

If a, yes, hideously exploitative scheme like odesk were to be prevailing,
that would adversely affect the interests of all small Drupal concerns and

So the politics of crisis, unemployment and forcing the working class to pay
for that crisis has a lot to do with what's going on, and denying that is...
very much politics.

> 3 - It creates barriers to entry, especially for those who are
> bootstrapping their way into a profession. #2 again.
> 4 - There's no real way to enforce it internationally. #2 again.
> 5 - It risks running into antitrust laws. #2 again.
> 6 - It ultimately carries little meaning in relation to capability,
> credibility, integrity, reliability - the things that matter. #2 again.
> 7 - Who controls it? #2 again.

If those working for a living controlled it, they could use it to defend
their own class interests and help each other bootstrap, find work, receive
training, etc.

>  I'll maintain my previous stance: the best "certification program" we
>> have is the drupal.org user profile.
> I agree. Open Source already opens up information that is usually hidden,
> information that certifications, club membership, etc. are ostensibly
> intended to reveal indirectly.

In the current social regime, as I say, I tend to agree. But the voracious
stampede of large corporations towards open source, with all the advantages
and disadvantages that that brings, changes the situation, and already that
pressure exerted on some of the larger Drupal shops is that much activity
already takes place outside of drupal.org.

That's why with the crisis as it is, "business as usual" cannot go on.

The only way for that to happen is the need for an internationally organized
association of working professionals who see their objective as that of
defending the community as a community of workers.

> I do see a value, however, if someone were to offer affordable training
> programs, especially since Drupal is generally not taught in schools.

For the training programs to be affordable, they need to be subsidized, by
just such an organization. Historically, that has been the purpose of

Victor Kane

> Laura
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