[consulting] Drupal Certification

Fri Aug 7 16:31:34 UTC 2009

Some assumptions there, too. I was the managing consultant of an 
international development business. I'm a freelancer because I like 
working from my den, when I want to, and not deal with office politics. 
Qualify of life choice.

Oh, and every job I've had has been for a company in business to make 
profit. They, in turn, were in business due to their suppliers being in 
business to make profit. With 80% of the businesses being small 
capitalist enterprises, I'm not sure who the socialists would be doing 
business with, without them. The unions might be socialist, but their 
employers are not, their suppliers are not, and the businesses that most 
of their customers work for are not.

Not a testament to capitalism being the best answer, but then again, 
similarly, as Churchill said, "Democracy is the worst form of 
government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from 
time to time." Capitalism, in terms of driving production, innovation, 
and breadth of opportunity, is sort of the same.

But hey, this is about Drupal consulting. Anyone not wanting to do any 
paid consulting for capitalist enterprises, feel free to move over :-)

Victor Kane wrote:

> It is amazing what assumptions people bring to the table.
> See below.
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Laura <pinglaura at gmail.com 
> <mailto:pinglaura at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     On Aug 7, 2009, at Fri 8/7/09 9:09am, Greg Knaddison wrote:
>
>         On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Alex
>         Urevick-Ackelsberg<Alex at zivtech.com <mailto:Alex at zivtech.com>>
>         wrote:
>
>             But still, what about a Drupal Developers/Shops Guild?
>
>
>         3-4 years ago folks started down this path.  It died fairly
>         quickly.
>         I don't think it would actually be helpful at solving the
>         problems it
>         sets out to solve, though maybe the market is different enough
>         now in
>         some way that it would be helpful.
>
>
>     I'm fairly skeptical of this, for a number of reasons:
>
>     1 - It's a way of making money off of developers, instead of
>     helping clients.
>     2 - It injects politics.
>
>
> Politics are always injected. Especially when different class 
> interests are being served.
>
> Especially when the status quo is assumed to be taken for granted.
>
> Right now, joblessness has created a situation where hundreds, perhaps 
> thousands, of people are forced to go into "freelancing" as a hidden 
> form of unemployment, and many of them are turning to Drupal.
>
> If a, yes, hideously exploitative scheme like odesk were to be 
> prevailing, that would adversely affect the interests of all small 
> Drupal concerns and professionals.
>
> So the politics of crisis, unemployment and forcing the working class 
> to pay for that crisis has a lot to do with what's going on, and 
> denying that is... very much politics.
>  
>
>
>     3 - It creates barriers to entry, especially for those who are
>     bootstrapping their way into a profession. #2 again.
>     4 - There's no real way to enforce it internationally. #2 again.
>     5 - It risks running into antitrust laws. #2 again.
>     6 - It ultimately carries little meaning in relation to
>     capability, credibility, integrity, reliability - the things that
>     matter. #2 again.
>     7 - Who controls it? #2 again.
>
>
> If those working for a living controlled it, they could use it to 
> defend their own class interests and help each other bootstrap, find 
> work, receive training, etc.
>  
>
>
>
>         I'll maintain my previous stance: the best "certification
>         program" we
>         have is the drupal.org <http://drupal.org> user profile.
>
>
>     I agree. Open Source already opens up information that is usually
>     hidden, information that certifications, club membership, etc. are
>     ostensibly intended to reveal indirectly.
>
>
> In the current social regime, as I say, I tend to agree. But the 
> voracious stampede of large corporations towards open source, with all 
> the advantages and disadvantages that that brings, changes the 
> situation, and already that pressure exerted on some of the larger 
> Drupal shops is that much activity already takes place outside of 
> drupal.org <http://drupal.org>.
>
> That's why with the crisis as it is, "business as usual" cannot go on. 
>
> The only way for that to happen is the need for an internationally 
> organized association of working professionals who see their objective 
> as that of defending the community as a community of workers.
>
>
>     I do see a value, however, if someone were to offer affordable
>     training programs, especially since Drupal is generally not taught
>     in schools.
>
>
> For the training programs to be affordable, they need to be 
> subsidized, by just such an organization. Historically, that has been 
> the purpose of unions.
>
> Victor Kane
> http://awebfactory.com.ar
>  
>
>
>
>     Laura
>
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