[consulting] Drupal Certification

[liza]

Am going through this whole thread in bits and pieces and this is, from the
standpoint of a web architec (aka, power-user of Drupal ) who is not a
coder, this is the most lucid statement I've read so far.

Thanks Victor,
liza



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On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Victor Kane <victorkane at gmail.com> wrote:

> It is amazing what assumptions people bring to the table.See below.
>
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Laura <pinglaura at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Aug 7, 2009, at Fri 8/7/09 9:09am, Greg Knaddison wrote:
>>
>>  On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Alex Urevick-Ackelsberg<Alex at zivtech.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> But still, what about a Drupal Developers/Shops Guild?
>>>>
>>>
>>> 3-4 years ago folks started down this path.  It died fairly quickly.
>>> I don't think it would actually be helpful at solving the problems it
>>> sets out to solve, though maybe the market is different enough now in
>>> some way that it would be helpful.
>>>
>>
>> I'm fairly skeptical of this, for a number of reasons:
>>
>> 1 - It's a way of making money off of developers, instead of helping
>> clients.
>> 2 - It injects politics.
>
>
> Politics are always injected. Especially when different class interests are
> being served.
>
> Especially when the status quo is assumed to be taken for granted.
>
> Right now, joblessness has created a situation where hundreds, perhaps
> thousands, of people are forced to go into "freelancing" as a hidden form of
> unemployment, and many of them are turning to Drupal.
>
> If a, yes, hideously exploitative scheme like odesk were to be prevailing,
> that would adversely affect the interests of all small Drupal concerns and
> professionals.
>
> So the politics of crisis, unemployment and forcing the working class to
> pay for that crisis has a lot to do with what's going on, and denying that
> is... very much politics.
>
>
>>
>> 3 - It creates barriers to entry, especially for those who are
>> bootstrapping their way into a profession. #2 again.
>> 4 - There's no real way to enforce it internationally. #2 again.
>> 5 - It risks running into antitrust laws. #2 again.
>> 6 - It ultimately carries little meaning in relation to capability,
>> credibility, integrity, reliability - the things that matter. #2 again.
>> 7 - Who controls it? #2 again.
>
>
> If those working for a living controlled it, they could use it to defend
> their own class interests and help each other bootstrap, find work, receive
> training, etc.
>
>
>>
>>
>>  I'll maintain my previous stance: the best "certification program" we
>>> have is the drupal.org user profile.
>>>
>>
>> I agree. Open Source already opens up information that is usually hidden,
>> information that certifications, club membership, etc. are ostensibly
>> intended to reveal indirectly.
>>
>
> In the current social regime, as I say, I tend to agree. But the voracious
> stampede of large corporations towards open source, with all the advantages
> and disadvantages that that brings, changes the situation, and already that
> pressure exerted on some of the larger Drupal shops is that much activity
> already takes place outside of drupal.org.
>
> That's why with the crisis as it is, "business as usual" cannot go on.
>
> The only way for that to happen is the need for an internationally
> organized association of working professionals who see their objective as
> that of defending the community as a community of workers.
>
>
>> I do see a value, however, if someone were to offer affordable training
>> programs, especially since Drupal is generally not taught in schools.
>
>
> For the training programs to be affordable, they need to be subsidized, by
> just such an organization. Historically, that has been the purpose of
> unions.
>
> Victor Kane
> http://awebfactory.com.ar
>
>
>>
>>
>> Laura
>>
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