[consulting] Drupal Certification

[mark burdett]

While the market and/or collectivized drupalistas spar over
certification.. maybe the Drupal Dojo should start awarding colored
bracelets like this hacker dojo in Moscow:
http://hscool.livejournal.com/  ;)

--mark

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:18 AM, liza<nyc.blogdiva at gmail.com> wrote:
> Am going through this whole thread in bits and pieces and this is, from the
> standpoint of a web architec (aka, power-user of Drupal ) who is not a
> coder, this is the most lucid statement I've read so far.
>
> Thanks Victor,
> liza
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> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Victor Kane <victorkane at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> It is amazing what assumptions people bring to the table.
>> See below.
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 12:39 PM, Laura <pinglaura at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Aug 7, 2009, at Fri 8/7/09 9:09am, Greg Knaddison wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:29 AM, Alex
>>>> Urevick-Ackelsberg<Alex at zivtech.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> But still, what about a Drupal Developers/Shops Guild?
>>>>
>>>> 3-4 years ago folks started down this path.  It died fairly quickly.
>>>> I don't think it would actually be helpful at solving the problems it
>>>> sets out to solve, though maybe the market is different enough now in
>>>> some way that it would be helpful.
>>>
>>> I'm fairly skeptical of this, for a number of reasons:
>>>
>>> 1 - It's a way of making money off of developers, instead of helping
>>> clients.
>>> 2 - It injects politics.
>>
>> Politics are always injected. Especially when different class interests
>> are being served.
>> Especially when the status quo is assumed to be taken for granted.
>> Right now, joblessness has created a situation where hundreds, perhaps
>> thousands, of people are forced to go into "freelancing" as a hidden form of
>> unemployment, and many of them are turning to Drupal.
>> If a, yes, hideously exploitative scheme like odesk were to be prevailing,
>> that would adversely affect the interests of all small Drupal concerns and
>> professionals.
>> So the politics of crisis, unemployment and forcing the working class to
>> pay for that crisis has a lot to do with what's going on, and denying that
>> is... very much politics.
>>
>>>
>>> 3 - It creates barriers to entry, especially for those who are
>>> bootstrapping their way into a profession. #2 again.
>>> 4 - There's no real way to enforce it internationally. #2 again.
>>> 5 - It risks running into antitrust laws. #2 again.
>>> 6 - It ultimately carries little meaning in relation to capability,
>>> credibility, integrity, reliability - the things that matter. #2 again.
>>> 7 - Who controls it? #2 again.
>>
>> If those working for a living controlled it, they could use it to defend
>> their own class interests and help each other bootstrap, find work, receive
>> training, etc.
>>
>>>
>>>> I'll maintain my previous stance: the best "certification program" we
>>>> have is the drupal.org user profile.
>>>
>>> I agree. Open Source already opens up information that is usually hidden,
>>> information that certifications, club membership, etc. are ostensibly
>>> intended to reveal indirectly.
>>
>> In the current social regime, as I say, I tend to agree. But the voracious
>> stampede of large corporations towards open source, with all the advantages
>> and disadvantages that that brings, changes the situation, and already that
>> pressure exerted on some of the larger Drupal shops is that much activity
>> already takes place outside of drupal.org.
>> That's why with the crisis as it is, "business as usual" cannot go on.
>> The only way for that to happen is the need for an internationally
>> organized association of working professionals who see their objective as
>> that of defending the community as a community of workers.
>>>
>>> I do see a value, however, if someone were to offer affordable training
>>> programs, especially since Drupal is generally not taught in schools.
>>
>> For the training programs to be affordable, they need to be subsidized, by
>> just such an organization. Historically, that has been the purpose of
>> unions.
>> Victor Kane
>> http://awebfactory.com.ar
>>
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