[consulting] Drupal Certification

[Sam Cohen]

ok, so it's acceptable on this list to say "shut the f*!k up if you don't
agree with me?"  Or do some of you just don't  know what STFU stands for?



On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Dries Buytaert <dries.buytaert at gmail.com>wrote:

> I have to agree with what George said.  For me, Evan's comments were
> amongst the most insightful in this discussion.
>
>
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> On 11 Aug 2009, at 18:14, George D. DeMet wrote:
>
>  Evan is sharing his experience having worked with community-based
>> certification programs with other open source projects.  He's taken a very
>> strong position on the issue, but it's also one that's backed up with
>> evidence, and I don't see it as fear-mongering at all.  Personally, I've
>> found his perspective among the most interesting ones in this entire thread.
>>
>> Victor Kane wrote:
>>
>>> Just stating the need for certification so blatently is a form of
>>> fearmongering.
>>> Stating "in actual experience" as an absolute is a form of fearmongering.
>>> But STFU is inappropriate either for or against.
>>> STFU is a form of fearmongering.
>>>
>>> Victor Kane
>>> http://awebfactory.com.ar
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org<mailto:
>>> evan at telly.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>>   Laura wrote:
>>>   > I have trouble with this statement. There are reasons some might
>>>   > believe that "certification" could be bad for the community, as have
>>>   > been expressed here. So STFU is not the right message here, as
>>>   it was
>>>   > not in the previous email a couple of days go, imho.
>>>
>>>   In actual experience there is no evidence to show that any existing
>>>   certification related to open source projects (LPI, BSDCert, MySQL,
>>>   Zend, Ubuntu, RHCE, etc.) has caused any damage to their related
>>>   communities. Indeed, just the opposite has occurred, with both direct
>>>   and indirect new business ventures and job opportunities arising from
>>>   their existence. Those parts of the respective communities who like
>>>   certification get involved, those who don't ignore it and are
>>>   unaffected.
>>>
>>>   The onus is on opponents to demonstrate -- rather than just
>>>   theorize --
>>>   damage to the community, given the large number of existing models
>>>   available to examine. Without evidence the opposition is just
>>>   fearmongering, and in my opinion STFU is an appropriate response to
>>>   fearmongering of any kind.
>>>
>>>   - Evan
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