[consulting] Drupal Certification
sam at samcohen.com
Tue Aug 11 18:07:13 UTC 2009
ok, so it's acceptable on this list to say "shut the f*!k up if you don't
agree with me?" Or do some of you just don't know what STFU stands for?
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 1:58 PM, Dries Buytaert <dries.buytaert at gmail.com>wrote:
> I have to agree with what George said. For me, Evan's comments were
> amongst the most insightful in this discussion.
> On 11 Aug 2009, at 18:14, George D. DeMet wrote:
> Evan is sharing his experience having worked with community-based
>> certification programs with other open source projects. He's taken a very
>> strong position on the issue, but it's also one that's backed up with
>> evidence, and I don't see it as fear-mongering at all. Personally, I've
>> found his perspective among the most interesting ones in this entire thread.
>> Victor Kane wrote:
>>> Just stating the need for certification so blatently is a form of
>>> Stating "in actual experience" as an absolute is a form of fearmongering.
>>> But STFU is inappropriate either for or against.
>>> STFU is a form of fearmongering.
>>> Victor Kane
>>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org<mailto:
>>> evan at telly.org>> wrote:
>>> Laura wrote:
>>> > I have trouble with this statement. There are reasons some might
>>> > believe that "certification" could be bad for the community, as have
>>> > been expressed here. So STFU is not the right message here, as
>>> it was
>>> > not in the previous email a couple of days go, imho.
>>> In actual experience there is no evidence to show that any existing
>>> certification related to open source projects (LPI, BSDCert, MySQL,
>>> Zend, Ubuntu, RHCE, etc.) has caused any damage to their related
>>> communities. Indeed, just the opposite has occurred, with both direct
>>> and indirect new business ventures and job opportunities arising from
>>> their existence. Those parts of the respective communities who like
>>> certification get involved, those who don't ignore it and are
>>> The onus is on opponents to demonstrate -- rather than just
>>> theorize --
>>> damage to the community, given the large number of existing models
>>> available to examine. Without evidence the opposition is just
>>> fearmongering, and in my opinion STFU is an appropriate response to
>>> fearmongering of any kind.
>>> - Evan
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