[consulting] A recruiter to watch out for...

Wed Feb 25 23:46:26 UTC 2009

It seems quite on-topic to me if I'm a Drupal consultant to know if a
particular firm has bad practices (so I can avoid them).. so I don't see how
finding out "who's telling the truth here" is so off-topic.

V

On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 6:40 PM, <ixlr8 at comcast.net> wrote:

> OK. This is really getting ridiculous.  I, and I'm sure I'm not alone in
> this, get hundreds of emails per day.  I scan through most of them, and if
> they don't require my attention, I delete them, and forget about them.
>
> @Karen,  when you rehashed this issue you were shooting yourself in the
> foot.  I read the original thread about this, and I promptly forgot about
> it.  It wasn't that important in my mind.  Now that this thread has been
> beating a dead horse, I'm going to remember your firm, and remember that you
> caused this onslaught of emails that's now clogging my inbox.  Otherwise, I
> wouldn't have even thought twice about it.  Good job doing "damage control."
>
> @Everyone else who's replied to this (with the exception of the person who
> suggested we drop the subject- I didn't catch your name): Really?  Really
> now?  Is this issue THAT important that we need to harp on it this much?  I
> don't know about you, but I have better things to do with my time than sit
> here and read all of these emails.  And yes, I read each and every one,
> because the ONE email that I don't read, is going to actually have something
> important in it.  That's just Murphy's Law in action.  It's fine if you find
> this entertaining.  I have no problem with that.  But take it off list.
> This list isn't the flame list.  It's a list for consultants.  And that's
> all there is too it.  Stay on topic, and quit beating a dead horse.  We get
> it already.
>
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sam Cohen" <sam at samcohen.com>
> To: "A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers" <
> consulting at drupal.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2009 6:04:03 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [consulting] A recruiter to watch out for...
>
> I would actually prefer that you kept it here as I find it highly
> entertaining -- and Alex hasn't had a chance to defend himself yet.
>
> My take is it seems to me that John was the one out of line with his pissy
> email to Alex -- and Alex did the right thing notifying others.  I don't see
> how Alex asking John to attend his Drupal session was rude or deserved the
> sarcastic email response.
>
> Alex never asked, as far as I know, anyone to email John, so if someone
> took it upon himself to do so, that's not Alex's fault.  John should have
> thought twice before firing off that email .
>
> Uh oh, am I going to have legal action taken against me now -- or the
> police called?
>
> Sam
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2009 at 5:34 PM, <mark at markery.com> wrote:
>
>> I am new to this group, and I hope that this will be a useful forum for
>> sharing tips and ideas. Normally I would expect this sort of conversation to
>> be kept between two parties, rather than shared with the masses. I don't
>> feel I have anything to offer to this, and I would prefer that you both take
>> this offline.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Mark (Who may or may NOT secretly be a moderator)
>>
>>  -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [consulting] A recruiter to watch out for...
>> From: Karen Sironen <karen at florezgroup.com>
>> Date: Wed, February 25, 2009 2:11 pm
>> To: consulting at drupal.org
>>
>>
>> "... right down to the out right threats of physical violence"
>>
>> There is absolutely no reference and certainly no "out right threates" to
>> physical action or violence in John's emails to you. This is blatant
>> slander
>> and we will be taking legal action. What kind of a person goes out of
>> their
>> way to try to ruin someone else's business by making completely false
>> claims?
>>
>> John asked you several times to stop emailing him and your only response
>> was
>> "block my address." It seems like you were the one that went out of your
>> way
>> to harass him.
>>
>>
>> Darrel O'Pry-2 wrote:
>> >
>> > Actually I contacted john of my own accord... to ask why he spoke to
>> alex
>> > in
>> > that manner.. the ensuing conversation was highly amusing... right down
>> > to
>>
>> > the out right threats of physical violence.
>> >
>> > On Feb 25, 2009 4:41 PM, "Karen Sironen" <karen at florezgroup.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > I am the President of The Florez Group, the company John co-owns with
>> me.
>> > This is only half of the story you are getting from Alex. John called
>> Alex
>> > to see if he needed any recruiting services. Alex told John in a very
>> > rude,
>> > abrasive way that Alex doesn't need recruiting services and is hosting a
>> > tutorial on how to recruit Drupal talent and perhaps John could learn a
>> > tip
>> > or two from attending this tutorial. I've worked with John for 8 years
>> and
>> > he has been nothing but kind and courteous, but he's not going to take
>> > someone insulting him lightly, especially when John did nothing to
>> insult
>> > or
>> > harm Alex. Thus, the forwarded email from Alex.
>> >
>> > But Alex didn't stop there. Not only did he continue to email John, but
>> he
>> > got his friends to email him as well. At that point, John called Alex to
>> > tell him to stop contacting him. In fact, the harassing emails did not
>> > stop
>> > even after John threatened legal action. It was finally after John said
>> he
>> > would call the police immediately that the barrage of emails finally
>> > ceased.
>> >
>> > If anyone would like to have a conversation with me to discuss this in
>> > more
>> > detail, I can be reached at 646-684-3880.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Karen
>> >
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