[consulting] At what percentage do you think most new sites will stop supporting IE6?

Fri Jun 19 04:20:01 UTC 2009

Well the percentage of ie usage maybe coming down, but we are yet to discuss
a project where ie6 compatibility was not in scope. In very time constrained
project the clients sometimes puts ie6 compatibility on a lower priority
allowing a launch with some IE6 issues, which get fixed post launch. Some
clients are fine with minor ie6 look issues as long as the functionalities,
navigation & usability goes on smoothly.

Quite agree with Ashraf, though ie6 is a pain its not such a big issue that
we should look at ignoring ie6 compatibility altogether (given that it still
is three times more popular that the browsers creating a buzz such as
safari). I would be rather surprised (though not disappointed J) if 50% of
clients said they were fine ignoring ie6.

One more thing from my experience is that for projects that run in a smooth
planned manner, the ie6 incompatibility issues can be anticipated and dealt
with without much ado. The issue come in projects that keep undergoing
iterations in a regular / unplanned manner.

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From: consulting-bounces at drupal.org [mailto:consulting-bounces at drupal.org]
On Behalf Of Ashraf Amayreh
Sent: 18 June 2009 21:38
To: A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers
Subject: Re: [consulting] At what percentage do you think most new sites
will stop supporting IE6?

> The problem we have with IE6 is a lot more than CSS compatibility. It's
poor JS performance, PNG incompatibility, etc, etc. makes it hard to work
with. I 
> know there are patches for everything but it's extra work and since
January we started to charge more for making sites IE6 compatible.

> Seeing how charts are doing, I'm pretty confident that at the end of the
year IE6 will stop being considered on about 50% of new projects.

I kind of doubt that. CSS compatibility is the biggest issue and I'm hoping
the reset.css will be the solution. JS performance is a new one for me, it
used to be JS incompatibilities but with JQuery that's no longer an issue.
PNG compatibility is again an issue, but in Drupal, with modules like pngfix
it is as simple as enabling the module and identifying the img tag's
wrapper's ID or CLASS.

I definitely despise ie6, but the points above are diminishing and I think
you've quite overrated them.

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Ivan Soto <ivansotof at gmail.com> wrote:

HI, (I'm new here)

The problem we have with IE6 is a lot more than CSS compatibility. It's poor
JS performance, PNG incompatibility, etc, etc. makes it hard to work with. I
know there are patches for everything but it's extra work and since January
we started to charge more for making sites IE6 compatible.

Seeing how charts are doing, I'm pretty confident that at the end of the
year IE6 will stop being considered on about 50% of new projects.

Ivan Soto Fernandez
Web Developer
http://ivansotof.com

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Ashraf Amayreh <mistknight at gmail.com>
wrote:

Hello all,

Has anyone come across reset.css files? I've only recently been acquainted
with the concept, but surprisingly enough, almost all new sites we coded
where we've used the reset.css have passed ie6 with no to little
modifications. Read this:

http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/css/reset/

Hope it helps.

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Darrel O'Pry <darrel.opry at gmail.com> wrote:

I don't think it will be a percentage point that changes the support
requirement. I think it will be a price point. I'd go about testing it by
adding additional cost for each browser the project support with higher
costs for deprecated or non-compliant browsers and see what the market will
bear.

On Jun 18, 2009 10:32 AM, "Brian Vuyk" <brian at brianvuyk.com> wrote:

I was just looking at statistics regarding browser usage. 

W3Schools shows IE6 usage at 14.5% last month:
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
W3Counter shows IE6 at 24.84% last month:
http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php

Regardless of what the true usage is, all these statistics indicate that
it's usage is dropping, although not particularly fast.

At what percentage point do you think people will start to consider IE6 to
be not worth supporting anymore? I know a lot of developers feel that we are
past that point already due to how obsolete IE6 is. However, most clients
I've dealt with insist that Safari be supported with ~5% of the market
share, and IE6 even more so.

Thoughts?

-- 
Brian Vuyk
Web Design & Development
T: 613-534-2916
Skype: brianvuyk
brian at brianvuyk.com | http://www.brianvuyk.com 

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