[consulting] oDesk

[Victor Kane]

Here I've got to agree with Sam! Payment of monies implies labor sold and
bought.

But where Sam and I differ is that the way to monitor employers (and for
employees to control employers) should be intrinsic to the work itself.

The separation: go and code "X" for me, has been proven (due to its kinship
with the waterfall approach to software development process) to be a recipe
for failure.

The only way software can be done successfully, even if you're in the same
room, is for horizontal, cooperative coordination in the work itself,
including frequent build / integration.

This breaks the "coder coding for hours alone in the cubicle" bullshit in
itself.

Anyway,

>>EOdiscussion I think, at least for me :)

Victor Kane
http://awebfactory.com.ar
http://projectflowandtracker.com

On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 5:31 PM, Sam Cohen <sam at samcohen.com> wrote:

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> On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Brian Vuyk <brian at brianvuyk.com> wrote:
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>>  On 05/05/2009 04:13 PM, Sam Cohen wrote:
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>> In traditional work environments the "boss" was able to monitor the worker
>> because the worker was on the premises.  If the worker didn't show up for
>> work they weren't paid or they were fired.
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>> In a virtual environment there needs to be someway to monitor employers.
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>> This is the problem.
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>> My client is not my boss. I am not my client's employee.
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> This is a semantic difference -- if you are buying a service, if you are
> hiring a lawyer, accountant, contractor, whatever, it's an exchange.  I'm
> giving money in return for a service received.  Just as the person being
> paid has a right to ensure they receive their money, the person paying for
> the service, has a right to ensure they are receiving what they are paying
> for.
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> If it's  based on a certain outcome then this isn't an issue.  But if I'm
> hiring someone to do something hourly and they are at a remote location,
> then I need some way to know they are working.
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> This doesn't make them inferior to me.  Just as my putting the money in
> escrow makes me inferior to them.
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> Sam
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>> *Brian Vuyk*
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