[consulting] (no subject)

Sun May 10 10:48:31 UTC 2009

Michaal,

Thats good input and I have tried to go down that path though the past
developers all insisted on 50%.

I even referenced checked the last programmer who is closely linked to the
drupal network in Australia but he took 4 months to tell me he didnt
understand the project though his initial scope was 2 weeks work.

Honestly it a simple site and I was looking for a little input into the best
way to set the navigation as it has some Call to action logins required to
get all the information.

To be honest it was simply the developers lack of contact and consistent
time delays where no work was performed, and then after all that time to
then demand more funds I find unacceptable, if done in a more timely manner
I would understand this.

In terms of the developers fior those who wanted to know, all where given
over 90 m in utes briefing face to face, full psd files and detail into the
functionality of the site (which included, easily udatable and uploadable
flash files, a login to member info and database repository for client
information who complete online forms showing interest in the service, other
features included being able to email to that database and structre the
database to know which clients and interested in different services)

1. was a php developer built the site straight from code then site crashed
and he told me he couldnt fix it
2. 2nd developer told me to go with drupal  he took the original spec and
drupalled it  then abandoned for a bigger project wih yahoo. Third
developer said the ftp of the 2nd was corrupted and had to start from
scratch. 
3. third developer (also confirmed by the 4th developer) did not have the
skill to theme the site and build the required database i wanted. She bailed
because it was over her head.
4. #4, i referenced checked gave him all the details and access codes and
said to him do u want an RFD i will complete one at your guidance, he said
lets co-ordinate a meeting and I will take your past project notes and also
take a brief from our discussion which went for 90 minutes after the first
meting where my general requirements were discussed. I put myself in this
professionals hand referenced checked him and waited over 1 month for him to
complete the worked he spec¹d 2 max 3 weeks this the turned into 4 months
where over some periods i heard nothing for over 3 weeks. Then i was asked
for more money to complete after we had agreed to a contract and a fixed
price agreement. Now he have given me the option of paying more, refunding
the deposit, or giving me the work he has done for the 50% deposit. But
really  - shouldnt i just receive the finished product? Hwy should i wait 4
months to be told this,, how does it give me any confidence i will receive a
finished product after another 4 months?... Hence I need to find someone who
can do what they ay they can and by a deined date.

I will be emailing those who have taken interest in the work shortly.

B

On 10/5/09 4:02 AM, "Michael Thorne" <michael at openchimp.com> wrote:

> Superwoman ... 
> 
> I would strongly advise that you put together a thorough RFP in which you
> detail the requirements of the project, pointing to sites that offer the
> features that you want to see on your site, and post it somewhere like on a
> google doc that you can point people to.  That way you'll get a lot of eyes
> looking over the project, and you'lll be much more likely to get contacted by
> developers who are ready and capable of handling what your project requires. 
> Surely, after hiring 4 developers and giving them the down payment to start
> work, you must have a very clear vision of the project, right? 
> 
> Another thing to consider ... If you still don't have a clear project
> proposal, detailing all of the deliverables, then before you pay the 50% down,
> you may want to start the process by paying someone an hourly consultation
> rate until they provide you with evidence that they have a clear vision for
> what your website will be.  That will give both of you time to assess each
> other while not making a large commitment.  By the time the developer is ready
> to begin real design and/or development work, you'll know how good their
> communication skills are and whether they really understand the needs of your
> project.
> 
> Good luck.
> 
> Michael
> Open Chimp
> evolving the internet through open source drupal websites
> 
> 
>  
> On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Mehboob Alam <malam at thinkx.com> wrote:
>> "Fool me once, shame on you.." scenario comes to mind.. after the third time,
>> the client should look inward and figure out what they might be doing wrong.
>> It takes both sides working to make a project successful.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Sam Cohen <sam at samcohen.com> wrote:
>>> Ok, first developer situation goes bad -- and unfortunate.
>>> 
>>> The second goes bad, less common, but it happens.
>>> 
>>> Four contracts with four developers, four 50% deposits, and the site still
>>> isn't live.  
>>> 
>>> Well, something is seriously wrong here. 
>>> 
>>> I'd be curious for you to share more details about the situation.
>>> 
>>> Sam
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Ashish Gupta
>>> <ashish.gupta at tekritisoftware.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi Superwoman, not sure if you got my mail. Please send across the details
>>>> of the project to me as well so that we can take the discussion further.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks & Regards,
>>>>  
>>>> Ashish Gupta
>>>> Vice President - Business Development
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Tel.      : +91-9313338550 
>>>> Email    : ashish.gupta at tekritisoftware.com
>>>> Address : 726 Udyog Vihar Phase V,Gurgaon - 122016 India
>>>> Website : www.TekritiSoftware.com <http://www.TekritiSoftware.com>
>>>>                    www.webPRmanager.com <http://www.webPRmanager.com>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: consulting-bounces at drupal.org [mailto:consulting-bounces at drupal.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of superwoman at superwoman.org.au
>>>> Sent: 09 May 2009 14:18
>>>> To: A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers
>>>> Subject: Re: [consulting] (no subject)
>>>> 
>>>> No condescending tone from me pity u took it that way. Im just frustrated.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks for the offer brian I will send an email off the post with a more
>>>> detailed explanation.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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