[consulting] (no subject)
Ken Dawber
ken at jypes.com
Tue May 12 16:54:57 UTC 2009
Superwoman,
Your problems were discussed at our last Drupal meeting here in
Melbourne Australia. We noted that you had an Australian email address
but we don't know what city you are in. No one at the meeting had been
involved, other than reading this discussion, or at least no one was
owning up to being involved. What city are you in? Were all these
developers in the same city as you or were some of them contracted over
the Internet?
The one advice that you have had that we think was good advice was to
use Drupal. Of course, we're biased but I still believe that it was
good advice.
After 30 years in programming, the one thing I still cannot do well is
quote how long a project will take. Each project turns out to be too
different to the ones before to utilize the previous experience.
Inexperienced programmers often don't understand how difficult this is.
This doesn't excuse the developers that you've used. Once they quote,
they need to stick to it or at least refund the deposit if they can't.
I'd like to help if I can. If you think that a Melbourne based Drupal
Developer would be of assistance please contact me. My details are as
follows:
For email please compose address using the following:
Domain (ie part after the @ is): ozvalue.com
Name: (ie part before the @ is): ken
Phone (afternoons or evenings) is (03) 9809 2083
Regards
Ken
superwoman at superwoman.org.au wrote:
> Michaal,
>
> Thats good input and I have tried to go down that path though the past
> developers all insisted on 50%.
>
> I even referenced checked the last programmer who is closely linked to
> the drupal network in Australia but he took 4 months to tell me he
> didnt understand the project though his initial scope was 2 weeks work.
>
> Honestly it a simple site and I was looking for a little input into
> the best way to set the navigation as it has some Call to action
> logins required to get all the information.
>
> To be honest it was simply the developers lack of contact and
> consistent time delays where no work was performed, and then after all
> that time to then demand more funds I find unacceptable, if done in a
> more timely manner I would understand this.
>
> In terms of the developers fior those who wanted to know, all where
> given over 90 m in utes briefing face to face, full psd files and
> detail into the functionality of the site (which included, easily
> udatable and uploadable flash files, a login to member info and
> database repository for client information who complete online forms
> showing interest in the service, other features included being able to
> email to that database and structre the database to know which clients
> and interested in different services)
>
> 1. was a php developer built the site straight from code then site
> crashed and he told me he couldnt fix it
> 2. 2nd developer told me to go with drupal -- he took the original
> spec and drupalled it -- then abandoned for a bigger project wih
> yahoo. Third developer said the ftp of the 2nd was corrupted and
> had to start from scratch.
> 3. third developer (also confirmed by the 4th developer) did not
> have the skill to theme the site and build the required database
> i wanted. She bailed because it was over her head.
> 4. #4, i referenced checked gave him all the details and access
> codes and said to him do u want an RFD i will complete one at
> your guidance, he said lets co-ordinate a meeting and I will
> take your past project notes and also take a brief from our
> discussion which went for 90 minutes after the first meting
> where my general requirements were discussed. I put myself in
> this professionals hand referenced checked him and waited over 1
> month for him to complete the worked he spec'd 2 max 3 weeks
> this the turned into 4 months where over some periods i heard
> nothing for over 3 weeks. Then i was asked for more money to
> complete after we had agreed to a contract and a fixed price
> agreement. Now he have given me the option of paying more,
> refunding the deposit, or giving me the work he has done for the
> 50% deposit. But really - shouldnt i just receive the finished
> product? Hwy should i wait 4 months to be told this,, how does
> it give me any confidence i will receive a finished product
> after another 4 months?... Hence I need to find someone who can
> do what they ay they can and by a deined date.
>
>
> I will be emailing those who have taken interest in the work shortly.
>
> B
>
>
> On 10/5/09 4:02 AM, "Michael Thorne" <michael at openchimp.com> wrote:
>
> Superwoman ...
>
> I would strongly advise that you put together a thorough RFP in
> which you detail the requirements of the project, pointing to
> sites that offer the features that you want to see on your site,
> and post it somewhere like on a google doc that you can point
> people to. That way you'll get a lot of eyes looking over the
> project, and you'lll be much more likely to get contacted by
> developers who are ready and capable of handling what your project
> requires. Surely, after hiring 4 developers and giving them the
> down payment to start work, you must have a very clear vision of
> the project, right?
>
> Another thing to consider ... If you still don't have a clear
> project proposal, detailing all of the deliverables, then before
> you pay the 50% down, you may want to start the process by paying
> someone an hourly consultation rate until they provide you with
> evidence that they have a clear vision for what your website will
> be. That will give both of you time to assess each other while
> not making a large commitment. By the time the developer is ready
> to begin real design and/or development work, you'll know how good
> their communication skills are and whether they really understand
> the needs of your project.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Michael
> *Open Chimp
> */evolving the internet through open source drupal websites
> /
>
>
> On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 7:14 AM, Mehboob Alam <malam at thinkx.com> wrote:
>
> "Fool me once, shame on you.." scenario comes to mind.. after
> the third time, the client should look inward and figure out
> what they might be doing wrong. It takes both sides working to
> make a project successful.
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 9:17 AM, Sam Cohen <sam at samcohen.com>
> wrote:
>
> Ok, first developer situation goes bad -- and unfortunate.
>
> The second goes bad, less common, but it happens.
>
> Four contracts with four developers, four 50% deposits,
> and the site still isn't live.
>
> Well, something is seriously wrong here.
>
> I'd be curious for you to share more details about the
> situation.
>
> Sam
>
>
> On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Ashish Gupta
> <ashish.gupta at tekritisoftware.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Superwoman, not sure if you got my mail. Please
> send across the details
> of the project to me as well so that we can take the
> discussion further.
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Ashish Gupta
> Vice President - Business Development
>
>
> Tel. : +91-9313338550
> Email : ashish.gupta at tekritisoftware.com
> Address : 726 Udyog Vihar Phase V,Gurgaon - 122016 India
> Website : www.TekritiSoftware.com
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>
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> No condescending tone from me pity u took it that way.
> Im just frustrated.
>
> Thanks for the offer brian I will send an email off
> the post with a more
> detailed explanation.
>
>
>
>
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