[consulting] "Socialist" created value-added list for capitalists $29.99/month; no socialist ranting

Sun Aug 22 23:19:31 UTC 2010

Where is my popcorn???

Seruously. Shall we stop this offtopic? :)

2010/8/23 Frank Nikola <fnikola at cognisync.com>

> I'm confused. What is the consulting list for? No one is trying to stifle
> free speech but just trying to determine the correct content for this list.
> I think that others who have asked thought the list was for another reason.
>
> Sami Khan <sami at etopian.net> wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 16:23:46 -0400, "Andrew R. Kelly"
> ><arkelly at cognisync.com> wrote:
> >> +1.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> We're abandoning this list if this doesn't stop.
> >
> >Us "socialists" are forming a for-pay service (mailing list) for all the
> >capitalists who don't wish to discuss important social issues on this
> list.
> >It costs $29.95 per month. It has none of this socialist ranting against
> >the virtues of capitalism that you don't want to read and only answers
> your
> >questions.
> >
> >It also has a nice monetized cost associated with it, because we wish to
> >extract every dollar of value from all the value we add to your life. Our
> >costs to house and feed ourselves and our families are rather massive, and
> >we would like to do that.
> >
> >All of us socialists who answer your questions for FREE also enjoy our
> >FREE speech; aint that a bitch?
> >
> >If you want a capitalist list, we would be happy to provide one for a nice
> >fat fee! Else, quit trying to stifle free speech or leave. We are
> competent
> >enough to help ourselves... We created Drupal, we write the code, we know
> >our shit!
> >
> >Sami
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Andrew
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: consulting-bounces at drupal.org
> >[mailto:consulting-bounces at drupal.org]
> >> On Behalf Of David Hazel
> >> Sent: Sunday, August 22, 2010 1:17 PM
> >> To: sami.khan at etopian.com; A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal
> >> service/hosting providers
> >> Subject: Re: [consulting] American Labour Laws & Future of Labour
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Heinz you've been misinformed regarding this list.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It's not the "consulting" forum.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It's the "my country/government/social agenda/values" are better than
> >your
> >> "country/government/social agenda/values" rant forum.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> But don't feel bad, I think most of us inadvertently signed up to the
> >wrong
> >> list. Maybe someone should fix the title.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> But that's just my delusional two cents (or whatever the appropriate
> >> denomination for your preferred currency is).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -Dave
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:00 AM, Sami Khan <sami at etopian.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 11:30:37 -0400, "Heinz D. Wegener"
> >> <heinz at simplexcreative.com> wrote:
> >>> It's amazing to me how much this "consulting" forum is used to debate
> >>> socialism vs. capitalism. Socialism is completely counter-intuitive to
> >>> being a consultant. Being a consultant implies that you are interested
> >> in
> >>> finding jobs that will make you money so that you can support your
> >> family.
> >>> You are participating in capitalism. This hatred of corporations is
> >>> foolishness. Success is not evil. Profit is not evil.
> >>
> >> If the world was as simple as you make it out to be, and all these ideas
> >> and thoughts can simply be resolved by consulting a few history books
> >and
> >> chanting some mantras about how great everything is... then I might
> >agree
> >> with you. The real world is a complex place, if you look around a bit
> >> outside of your own life and maybe your circle of friends -- or if you
> >have
> >> ever been down on your luck, you would understand.
> >>
> >> The US has a large underclass, approximately 40 million people; these
> >> people live below the poverty line. The ideas and the policies are
> >largely
> >> to blame for these people being put in their position and not being
> >> "successful". Profits are not the problem, but when 30% of the economy
> >is
> >> based on financial products for simply allocating money, something is
> >> definitely wrong there.
> >>
> >> If the things continue to go the way that they have been, this
> >underclass
> >> will grow and there is no guarantee that you or someone you care about
> >> won't end up in it. Entrepreneurship is contingent upon the economy, and
> >> the economy is contingent upon the middle class for people such as
> >> yourself. Supporting policies that increase the size of the middle class
> >> and make sure that they have enough money, guarantee that there are
> >> opportunities to be had. That's the basics. Beyond that there are
> >questions
> >> of morality. Is success for some necessary, sure. But to what extent?
> >> Unlimited profits? What if that means that the size of the underclass
> >> grows, from 40 million to say 80 million or above. Is that a good way to
> >> support "success"?
> >>
> >> There are some who simply debate to win... that is not the aim here. The
> >> aim is to explore where one stands and see where there are in relation
> >to
> >> everyone else. In doing that we create possibilities for futures, rather
> >> than leaving that task to those who are "successful"... because all that
> >> they want is to be more "successful". Which means that they want the
> >> underclass size to grow.
> >>
> >> You are simply self-concerned with your life, and because things are
> >good
> >> for you and those that you care about, you rather ignore that there are
> >any
> >> problems... That sort of reactive auto-control approach is what put us
> >in
> >> the economic situation that we are in right now.
> >>
> >>
> >>> My father and his family did not emigrate from Germany to America to
> >>> experience despair and normalcy. They came with hope, and they had
> >> nothing.
> >>> They were hard working people with a desire to succeed in one of the
> >> best
> >>> countries in the world. My father was 6-years-old when they came to
> >this
> >>> country. He worked his ass off with the goal of becoming successful and
> >> was
> >>> motivated to do so partially because kids would call him a Nazi in
> >> school
> >>> just for being from Germany. And guess what? He succeeded. And guess
> >> what
> >>> else? He is the most generous, giving man I know, and has an amazing
> >> heart
> >>> for people. There's your evil capitalist.
> >>
> >> The Germans are doing fine at this point. So you would be fine whether
> >you
> >> were in the US or in Germany; probably better if they are from West
> >> Germany. Anecdotes like this about the reaffirmation of American Dream
> >tell
> >> us nothing about the actual situation on the ground. Certain statistics
> >> paint a different picture. The truth lies somewhere in between.
> >>
> >> If you want some anecdotes of people who are not as lucky as you or your
> >> family, look here:
> >> http://www.youtube.com/user/invisiblepeopletv
> >>
> >>
> >>> My father-in-law experienced the same type of success after his family
> >>> fled from Cuba. Both he and my father both become owners of successful
> >>> companies. With socialism comes the death of that hope that most
> >> immigrants
> >>> had back in the 40's and 50's and still have today.
> >>
> >> I think that hope is dead already and it's because of the financial
> >> banksters, who are motivated by capitalism. It may be the case that
> >those
> >> times are gone for good and we will have to settle for some more social
> >> solutions or else face being in the underclass of capitalism.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Study your history, and
> >>> learn the truth yourself. Entrepreneurs were, and continue to be, some
> >> of
> >>> the primary contributors to America's success.
> >>
> >> I am happy for your family. I also don't support totalitarian Cuba, or
> >any
> >> totalitarian socialist economy.
> >>
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