Hi, I've made some significant updates to the delicious zen theme aimed at core. It would be great if people could test the theme so there might be some chance of it getting in core. Issue Thread: http://drupal.org/node/81217 Demo Site: http://www.drupalart.org/drupal48 Download: http://drupal.org/files/issues/delicious_zen_11.zip Thanks! -Farsheed __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
I've made some significant updates to the delicious zen theme aimed at core. It would be great if people could test the theme so there might be some chance of it getting in core.
Still fixed, not fluid. Minus one ;) -- Morbus Iff ( and i twirled my hair and i popped my gum ) Technical: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779 Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus
Still fixed, not fluid. Minus one ;)
Theme STILL has fixed and fluid options. Always has.
Naturally, that's not entirely obvious just by looking at it, and I had no idea I was to login to fully appreciate the theme. -- Morbus Iff ( notice how he deftly sidesteps the panty issue. ) Technical: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779 Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus
Morbus Iff wrote:
Still fixed, not fluid. Minus one ;)
Theme STILL has fixed and fluid options. Always has.
Naturally, that's not entirely obvious just by looking at it, and I had no idea I was to login to fully appreciate the theme.
We've had this discussion on the IRC. You complained about it being fixed only. I told you it has a fluid option. Sure, ok, you've forgotten, but c'mon. You're giving your -1 without paying any attention at all, and you don't even remember talking about it in the past. If you're going to poo-poo something, at least pay some attention. Maybe it's a waste of your time to actually download the theme and look at it, but it's a waste of everyone's time when you -1 it for being fixed-only when it's not, especially when your opinion is important and people around here are going to assume you know what you're talking about. Walt: I dunno about the demo site, but it's readily apparently when downloading it.
I think I've seen some of this commented before, anyway: * I would prefer it without the small icons. Especially the "posted" one which feels pixelated and remembers me of Plone (we don't want that...) * I'm not sure about the centered forms, the headline on the User login block feels misplaced. The post "Do poll bars have different colors?" also looks weird because of the centering. * I would push the search form at the top down a few pixels (or em's actually..) * And I minor browser issue: the icons for the lists have incorrect padding in Opera 9.01 A part from that I really like this theme. Great work. /Anders
"Earl Miles" wrote:
Morbus Iff wrote:
Still fixed, not fluid. Minus one ;)
Theme STILL has fixed and fluid options. Always has.
Naturally, that's not entirely obvious just by looking at it, and I had no idea I was to login to fully appreciate the theme.
We've had this discussion on the IRC. You complained about it being fixed only. I told you it has a fluid option. Sure, ok, you've forgotten, but c'mon. You're giving your -1 without paying any attention at all, and you don't even remember talking about it in the past. If you're going to poo-poo something, at least pay some attention. Maybe it's a waste of your time to actually download the theme and look at it, but it's a waste of everyone's time when you -1 it for being fixed-only when it's not, especially when your opinion is important and people around here are going to assume you know what you're talking about.
Or, rather, you could make options more clear to the viewer. You actually point out a common "techie" problem: Tech folks often get a bit ruffled when the viewer doesn't see all the bells and whistles they've added. Instead of shooting the messenger, take the time to be more clear about what you wish to have reviewed. If you want people to take note of both Option A and Option B, then state so. Earl, you're personally invested in this theme, so your emotional response can be understood. However, precisely _because_ you are personally invested, it's very easy for you to forget that not everyone is. If you (or others) want to build in options, or have them reviewed, then make them clear and don't shoot the messenger. It surely looks (and acts) 'fixed width' to me...and I wouldn't spend time trying to examine other options unless I knew what someone wanted me to explore. Perhaps you should take (-1) steps back from the emotional connection you feel for this so-so theme and just get on with making it better, if that's your goal. It's coming along, but still seems very redundant to other themes that are readily available. (And the icons are too chunky on the edges, like bit map icons. I especially notice this with the small 'clock face' icon, which looks like bad clip art.) -1 on default fluidity -1 on icons +1 on general color scheme (which is the same as many other themes) -- inkfree
inkfree press wrote:
Or, rather, you could make options more clear to the viewer. You actually point out a common "techie" problem: Tech folks often get a bit ruffled when the viewer doesn't see all the bells and whistles they've added.
Pay attention. See below.
Instead of shooting the messenger, take the time to be more clear about what you wish to have reviewed. If you want people to take note of both Option A and Option B, then state so.
Pay attention, see below.
Earl, you're personally invested in this theme, so your emotional response can be understood. However, precisely _because_ you are personally invested, it's very easy for you to forget that not everyone is.
Actually, I am not. If you take a look at the thread, I'm just a commentator, same as anyone else. I've done 0 work, I happen to like the theme and the idea.
If you (or others) want to build in options, or have them reviewed, then make them clear and don't shoot the messenger.
Perhaps you should take (-1) steps back from the emotional connection you feel for this so-so theme and just get on with making it better,
You tell me I'm having an emotional response, and direct this entire message at me as though I'm the author of the theme? That's pretty funny. You accuse me of shooting the messenger, and yet all I'm doing is correcting Morbus - AGAIN - which, I will point out, is done in very much the style that Morbus would have done it to me. So, next time you wish to be mean to me on the list, I humbly request that choose things I've actually said to be mean about. There are plenty of things I do and say that are worthy of attacking, this one just happens to not be one of them, since, and I want to make this abundantly clear since apparently it's not at all obvious: I have Nothing To Do With This Theme. I just happen to kind of like it.
"Earl Miles" wrote:
all I'm doing is correcting Morbus - AGAIN - which, I will point out, is done in very much the style that Morbus would have done it to me.
Ah, I see. So, you don't really care to make some point other than pointing out some personal issue...? Fair enough. That reads as kind of petty, to me, but that's just a personal opinion. Perhaps time (yours and mine) is better spent through focus on the theme and on clarification of features that may have been missed in review [*]. This seems more productive than a focus on one person or your opinion of that person's communication style or what they may have been told by you, once, on IRC: "Earl Miles" wrote: <quote>
We've had this discussion on the IRC. You complained about it being fixed only. I told you it has a fluid option. </quote>
-- inkfree [*] You use the phrase "pay attention" quite a lot. "Earl Miles" wrote:
If you're going to poo-poo something, at least pay some attention.
...and, then...
Pay attention. See below.
...and, again...
Pay attention, see below.
I now must ask the same of you. If you were, in fact, "paying attention" yourself, then you would have noticed that the original poster of the theme notice did, in fact, follow-up with an acknowledgement that the two variations [fluid and fixed-width] were not as easily discoverable as you seem to suggest. "Farsheed" wrote:
My fault, I forgot to enable both fluid and fixed on the demo site.
inkfree press wrote:
I now must ask the same of you. If you were, in fact, "paying attention" yourself, then you would have noticed that the original poster of the theme notice did, in fact, follow-up with an acknowledgement that the two variations [fluid and fixed-width] were not as easily discoverable as you seem to suggest.
'seem to' must be critical here, because the only person I've actually directed any of that to was Morbus. Wait, no, I directed a single line to Walt:
Walt: I dunno about the demo site, but it's readily apparently when downloading it.
That's it. The rest of my message was to Morbus. You're right, I never told you in IRC, and I certainly don't necessarily expect you to know. Here, let me explain myself just a touch:
but it's a waste of everyone's time when you -1 it for being fixed-only when it's not, especially when your opinion is important and people around here are going to assume you know what you're talking about.
Morbus' opinion is important. I value Morbus' opinion very much. So do quite a few other people. Morbus' name is well known enough that people know who he is, and when they read his message, they are going to assume he knows what he's talking about. Particularly people who are less involved with Drupal discussion or development directly. Morbus is also a giant pain in the ass, and well known for his tendency to be very strong and somewhat personal in his criticisms. So as it happens, I was giving him a little of his own medicine. If it helps soothe your ruffled feathers, I do recognize that it may be more difficult for you to recognize that the theme has both fixed and fluid options. On the other hand, I wasn't directing anything at you, and frankly I'm highly amused that you've decided to -- at length -- go off on me here.
Perhaps time (yours and mine) is better spent through focus on the theme and on clarification of features that may have been missed in review [*].
Also, for what it's worth, Morbus and I have already actually discussed this and we're both laughing about it.
"Earl Miles" wrote:
If it helps soothe your ruffled feathers
Freud would call this "projection". I have no feathers to ruffle, nor any interest in using the theme. It is _your_ feathers that I observe as being all a-prickle. I really have nothing more to say other than "lighten up". Are we good? I hope so. -- inkfree
This seems more productive than a focus on one person or your opinion of that person's communication style or what they may have been told by you,
It's obvious you've never dealt with me before. I'm one of the more ... ... "aggressive" commentators, and Earl's response left nothing to be desired - if anything, it was a bit softer than some of my past remarks to the list. And yes, roughly about once a month I get called out by half the listeners for being rude or infantile or "wah wah this is a nice neighborhood with nice people" -- the other half tends to either agree or, as Earl alluded to, respect my opinion and weight. In short, as the subject you're attempting to defend, I can heartily tell you: thanks, but you're barking up the wrong tree. Oh, and your signature delimiter is wrong. It's "-- \n", not "--\n". -- Morbus Iff ( tomorrow never comes until it's too late ) Technical: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779 Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus
"Morbus Iff" wrote:
In short, as the subject you're attempting to defend, I can heartily tell you: thanks, but you're barking up the wrong tree.
Well, I have no particular interest in defending you, personally, in any specific way. I merely point out that focusing on one person's response (any person, not only you), is energy in the wrong direction. 'nuff said, since I neither wish to beat a dead horse nor be the pot calling the kettle black. -- inkfree
It's obvious you've never dealt with me before. I'm one of the more ... ... "aggressive" commentators, and Earl's response left nothing to be desired - if anything, it was a bit softer than some of my past remarks to the list. And yes, roughly about once a month I get called out by half the listeners for being rude or infantile or "wah wah this is a nice neighborhood with nice people" -- the other half tends to either agree or, as Earl alluded to, respect my opinion and weight.
Or just the silent majority who do not like those who are overly vocal regardless of them being right or wrong? Or those who don't want to get involved in the flame war lest they get burned? Every now and then we get a poor newbie Morbused or Killesed or what have you, and then we are accused of being a rude community, unwelcoming, arrogant, ..etc. Enough is enough. Can I specifically (and politely) ask Morbus, Earl and inkfree to stop this (or continue in private emails if they so wish)? The signal to noise ratio is high in this thread and the tone is not friendly or even neutral. Can we resume the technical discussions now please? <Gets off the high camel>
I have another complaint about all the themes I have seen including this one. Before you logon the menu begins with Navigation. After you logon the word Navigation is replaced with your username. This has two problems, Navigation and username don't come from the same name space, i.e. username does not imply anthing about menus or navigation to me. It has a subsidiary problem that is a visual clash, Navigation begins with a capital letter, the usernames frequently do not, e.g. my username is yktdan on many sites.
-1 on icons inkfree
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Me to, this is supposed to be a simple theme, do we really want icons?
There are really only 3 icons used here. A clock icon, comment icon, and a page icon. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
+1 on the icons Looks like there's more than 3 but they are controlled via their own css file (icons.css) so they're easy to remove for those that don't want them. On 9/12/06, Farsheed <tfarsheed@yahoo.com> wrote:
Me to, this is supposed to be a simple theme, do we really want icons?
There are really only 3 icons used here. A clock icon, comment icon, and a page icon.
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Farsheed wrote:
-1 on icons inkfree
Please suggest (everybody!) alternative GPL icons we could choose from.
I am preparing a local drupal project which uses some icons. I will make sure they are all original (to avoid licence problems) and will post them tomorrow... Jakub
Then how do you get to the fluid options? I tried logging on, as suggested, and that allowed me to chose zen-fixed or bluemarine (fluid). No zen-fluid. -----Original Message----- From: development-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:development-bounces@drupal.org] On Behalf Of Earl Miles Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 10:37 PM To: development@drupal.org Subject: Re: [development] New Core Theme for 5.0 Morbus Iff wrote:
Still fixed, not fluid. Minus one ;)
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My fault, I forgot to enable both fluid and fixed on the demo site. After logging in you should see a regular delicious_zen which is fluid and then a delicious_zen-fixed which is the default. Then you can switch between the two. Farsheed --- Walt Daniels <wdlists@optonline.net> wrote:
Then how do you get to the fluid options? I tried logging on, as suggested, and that allowed me to chose zen-fixed or bluemarine (fluid). No zen-fluid.
-----Original Message----- From: development-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:development-bounces@drupal.org] On Behalf Of Earl Miles Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 10:37 PM To: development@drupal.org Subject: Re: [development] New Core Theme for 5.0
Morbus Iff wrote:
Still fixed, not fluid. Minus one ;)
Theme STILL has fixed and fluid options. Always has.
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How come the drupal icon at the bottom isn't linked to www.drupal.org? -----Original Message----- From: development-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:development-bounces@drupal.org] On Behalf Of Farsheed Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 9:36 PM To: development@drupal.org Subject: [development] New Core Theme for 5.0 Hi, I've made some significant updates to the delicious zen theme aimed at core. It would be great if people could test the theme so there might be some chance of it getting in core. Issue Thread: http://drupal.org/node/81217 Demo Site: http://www.drupalart.org/drupal48 Download: http://drupal.org/files/issues/delicious_zen_11.zip Thanks! -Farsheed __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.2/443 - Release Date: 9/11/2006
Demo Site: http://www.drupalart.org/drupal48
Hi, I like it, but it definitely still need some contrast i think...It's too gray (or too small font on my 1400x1050?) Example: the active Home button is OK, but the others not. maybe the gradient should not interfere with the font? -- Jakub Suchy
Demo Site: http://www.drupalart.org/drupal48
Please see http://adam.j.cooper.googlepages.com/home for some annotated comments. There will be more along shortly. Quickly though, the secondary links on the comments page do not fit at all, and the forums lack the polish of the rest of the design. Getting better + more complete. Thanks Adam
Please see http://adam.j.cooper.googlepages.com/home for some annotated comments. There will be more along shortly.
Thanks for this.
Quickly though, the secondary links on the comments page do not fit at all, and the forums lack the polish of the rest of the design.
How do they not fit? Lack of polish? Details? ;)
Getting better + more complete.
Thanks Adam
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Wow, looks like most of the suggestions I made were actually followed up on. I approve this theme. [insert occy's stamp of approval] Approval of course based on the way the theme is now: 9:50am Eastern 9/12/2006 :) ** Below would be nice, but not necessary ** The only details I would still have issue with, but they aren't show stoppers are: 1. Search box It feels as if it's alone and not quite aligned properly. I haven't broken out the Gimp and used a Guide on it, but it feels off. I would center it on the $site_name. This could be the case if the person is using a different font than I have on Linux. 2. Drupal image Needs to link to Drupal.org - Sure this is just an oversight. 3. Forms.... I know I know.... "But they shouldn't be Stylized!@#%#@$%" Well, I think they should be as the default ones look like poo. If only for just the search and login/log out areas that are initially seen. Trae On 9/12/06, Adam Cooper <adam.j.cooper@gmail.com> wrote:
Demo Site: http://www.drupalart.org/drupal48
Please see http://adam.j.cooper.googlepages.com/home for some annotated comments. There will be more along shortly.
Quickly though, the secondary links on the comments page do not fit at all, and the forums lack the polish of the rest of the design.
Getting better + more complete.
Thanks Adam
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Regarding the theme for 5.0: One more note... There is something that is bothering me still... I would align the $site_name to the far left... and have $site_slogan aligned with all the content below. Same with the #primary tabs You have the search box aligned to the far right, thus, you should follow the same example on the left for proper symmetry. On 9/12/06, Trae McCombs <traemccombs@gmail.com> wrote:
Wow, looks like most of the suggestions I made were actually followed up on.
I approve this theme. [insert occy's stamp of approval]
Approval of course based on the way the theme is now: 9:50am Eastern 9/12/2006 :)
** Below would be nice, but not necessary ** The only details I would still have issue with, but they aren't show stoppers are:
1. Search box It feels as if it's alone and not quite aligned properly. I haven't broken out the Gimp and used a Guide on it, but it feels off. I would center it on the $site_name. This could be the case if the person is using a different font than I have on Linux.
2. Drupal image Needs to link to Drupal.org - Sure this is just an oversight.
3. Forms.... I know I know.... "But they shouldn't be Stylized!@#%#@$%" Well, I think they should be as the default ones look like poo. If only for just the search and login/log out areas that are initially seen.
Trae
On 9/12/06, Adam Cooper <adam.j.cooper@gmail.com> wrote:
Demo Site: http://www.drupalart.org/drupal48
Please see http://adam.j.cooper.googlepages.com/home for some annotated comments. There will be more along shortly.
Quickly though, the secondary links on the comments page do not fit at all, and the forums lack the polish of the rest of the design.
Getting better + more complete.
Thanks Adam
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I would align the $site_name to the far left... and have $site_slogan aligned with all the content below. Same with the #primary tabs
You have the search box aligned to the far right, thus, you should follow the same example on the left for proper symmetry.
Hi Trae, thanks for your feedback. The only problem with aligning the site slogan with the far left is that in full width mode it actually will touch the left side. Also it is noted that the search box needs some slight re-aligning, and I agree about the styled search box, user login forms. The rest should probably not be styled. Also the drupal image in the footer has an absolute URL. Anybody know how to make it relative? /misc/drupal-banner.png for instance doesn't work. It should link back to drupal.org, I agree. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Can't you do something like body#fluid .site_slogan (no I didn't look up the classes you use) { foo } body#fixed .site_slogan { bar } Do that on it so that when it's fluid, it stays as is, but when it's fixed, it gives the alternate balance I propose? ;) re: icons. Farsheed, did you check out the new Gnome icon remakeover? Those are GPL and have Tango love. peace love and bananas. Trae On 9/12/06, Farsheed <tfarsheed@yahoo.com> wrote:
I would align the $site_name to the far left... and have $site_slogan aligned with all the content below. Same with the #primary tabs
You have the search box aligned to the far right, thus, you should follow the same example on the left for proper symmetry.
Hi Trae, thanks for your feedback. The only problem with aligning the site slogan with the far left is that in full width mode it actually will touch the left side.
Also it is noted that the search box needs some slight re-aligning, and I agree about the styled search box, user login forms. The rest should probably not be styled.
Also the drupal image in the footer has an absolute URL. Anybody know how to make it relative? /misc/drupal-banner.png for instance doesn't work. It should link back to drupal.org, I agree.
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Can't you do something like
body#fluid .site_slogan (no I didn't look up the classes you use) { foo } body#fixed .site_slogan { bar }
Do that on it so that when it's fluid, it stays as is, but when it's fixed, it gives the alternate balance I propose?
Yes, this could work.
;)
re: icons. Farsheed, did you check out the new Gnome icon remakeover? Those are GPL and have Tango love.
ooo. will check out.
peace love and bananas. Trae
On 9/12/06, Farsheed <tfarsheed@yahoo.com> wrote:
I would align the $site_name to the far left...
and
have $site_slogan aligned with all the content below. Same with the #primary tabs
You have the search box aligned to the far right, thus, you should follow the same example on the left for proper symmetry.
Hi Trae, thanks for your feedback. The only problem with aligning the site slogan with the far left is that in full width mode it actually will touch the left side.
Also it is noted that the search box needs some slight re-aligning, and I agree about the styled search box, user login forms. The rest should probably not be styled.
Also the drupal image in the footer has an absolute URL. Anybody know how to make it relative? /misc/drupal-banner.png for instance doesn't work. It should link back to drupal.org, I agree.
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Shouldn't it be possible to have exactly the same .tpl-files for fluid and fixed and just having a different stylesheet that either applies a fluid or a fixed style? I think this is how the original zen themes worked. And I think that this should be a main point in the new core theme(s) (having The Perfect Html/Tpl Structure and then just some different stylesheets). Then you could just add different align properties in the respective .css-files regards, frando Farsheed schrieb:
Can't you do something like
body#fluid .site_slogan (no I didn't look up the classes you use) { foo } body#fixed .site_slogan { bar }
Do that on it so that when it's fluid, it stays as is, but when it's fixed, it gives the alternate balance I propose?
Yes, this could work.
;)
re: icons. Farsheed, did you check out the new Gnome icon remakeover? Those are GPL and have Tango love.
ooo. will check out.
peace love and bananas. Trae
On 9/12/06, Farsheed <tfarsheed@yahoo.com> wrote:
I would align the $site_name to the far left... and have $site_slogan aligned with all the content below. Same with the #primary tabs
You have the search box aligned to the far right, thus, you should follow the same example on the left for proper symmetry. Hi Trae, thanks for your feedback. The only problem with aligning the site slogan with the far left is that in full width mode it actually will touch the left side.
Also it is noted that the search box needs some slight re-aligning, and I agree about the styled search box, user login forms. The rest should probably not be styled.
Also the drupal image in the footer has an absolute URL. Anybody know how to make it relative? /misc/drupal-banner.png for instance doesn't work. It should link back to drupal.org, I agree.
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Ok, some specific comments can be found here: http://xcite-online.de/uploads/data/deliciouszen-comments.jpg In general, I think the theme is quite good, but not yet perfect. It could get a little more contrast, maybe by adding some background images (e.g. gradients) for the header or sidebar... I'll do a mockup of what I mean later today or tomorrow. regards, frando Farsheed schrieb:
Hi,
I've made some significant updates to the delicious zen theme aimed at core. It would be great if people could test the theme so there might be some chance of it getting in core.
Issue Thread: http://drupal.org/node/81217
Demo Site: http://www.drupalart.org/drupal48
Download: http://drupal.org/files/issues/delicious_zen_11.zip
Thanks!
-Farsheed
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There don't seem to be issue pages for core modules so I am trying here. If I have containers and forums within containers, e.g. like the Drupal forums are set up, then I go to the add topic page where I get a dropdown box to select which forum I want to add the topic to. The UI problem is that the list of possibilities includes the containers which it needs to or you couldn't have identically named forums in separate containers and figure out which is which. If you select the container rather than one of the forums in a container, it allows you to add a topic to the container. However there is no way of displaying the topics in a container and this is the problem and probably shouldn't be permitted because containers shouldn't have topics. Proposed fix, when user hits submit check if he selected a containter rather than a forum and give an error, allowing him to reselect to a forum.
Walt Daniels wrote:
There don't seem to be issue pages for core modules so I am trying here.
As far as I can tell, core modules are treated as components of the Drupal project in the issue tracker.
If I have containers and forums within containers, e.g. like the Drupal forums are set up, then I go to the add topic page where I get a dropdown box to select which forum I want to add the topic to. The UI problem is that the list of possibilities includes the containers which it needs to or you couldn't have identically named forums in separate containers and figure out which is which. If you select the container rather than one of the forums in a container, it allows you to add a topic to the container. However there is no way of displaying the topics in a container and this is the problem and probably shouldn't be permitted because containers shouldn't have topics.
Proposed fix, when user hits submit check if he selected a containter rather than a forum and give an error, allowing him to reselect to a forum.
Here's an alternate fix: Remove the dropdown and remove the "post new topic" link from container pages. Posting always takes place in the currently open forum, period. A quick check of phpBB at Mozillazine and vBulletin at Macromedia tells me that that's the way they work. This feature in Drupal seems like an unnecessary complication. Gary
Small correction towards my comments in [1]: I've now spotted the secondary links, but I think they don't fit the overall style very well. They are far too contrasted to the rest of the site. I think more contrast would be good, but only if it's applied to the overall layout. My other commments in [1] still apply: * It would be great to have $logo next to the the site title .. * Search box should be moved down to the level of the primary links * several minor corrections/proposals. Just look at [1]. regards, frando [1] http://xcite-online.de/uploads/data/deliciouszen-comments.jpg Frando (Franz Heinzmann) schrieb:
Ok, some specific comments can be found here:
http://xcite-online.de/uploads/data/deliciouszen-comments.jpg
In general, I think the theme is quite good, but not yet perfect. It could get a little more contrast, maybe by adding some background images (e.g. gradients) for the header or sidebar...
I'll do a mockup of what I mean later today or tomorrow.
regards, frando
Farsheed schrieb:
Hi,
I've made some significant updates to the delicious zen theme aimed at core. It would be great if people could test the theme so there might be some chance of it getting in core.
Issue Thread: http://drupal.org/node/81217
Demo Site: http://www.drupalart.org/drupal48
Download: http://drupal.org/files/issues/delicious_zen_11.zip
Thanks!
-Farsheed
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* It would be great to have $logo next to the the site title ..
It's baked into the theme. I just turned off the logo because Druplicon looks uncomfortable sitting there. You can turn it on if you want.
* Search box should be moved down to the level of the primary links
I'd rather not stray from the original on this one. I do agree in aligning it more with the site name.
* several minor corrections/proposals. Just look at [1].
thanks, will look at them
regards, frando
[1]
http://xcite-online.de/uploads/data/deliciouszen-comments.jpg
Frando (Franz Heinzmann) schrieb:
Ok, some specific comments can be found here:
http://xcite-online.de/uploads/data/deliciouszen-comments.jpg
In general, I think the theme is quite good, but
not yet perfect.
It could get a little more contrast, maybe by adding some background images (e.g. gradients) for the header or sidebar...
I'll do a mockup of what I mean later today or tomorrow.
regards, frando
Farsheed schrieb:
Hi,
I've made some significant updates to the delicious zen theme aimed at core. It would be great if people could test the theme so there might be some chance of it getting in core.
Issue Thread: http://drupal.org/node/81217
Demo Site: http://www.drupalart.org/drupal48
Download:
http://drupal.org/files/issues/delicious_zen_11.zip
Thanks!
-Farsheed
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On 9/11/06, Farsheed <tfarsheed@yahoo.com> wrote:
I've made some significant updates to the delicious zen theme aimed at core.
This is looking good. Your efforts are appreciated :) My personal troubles with it as of now: - Login block and polls should be left-aligned not centered - Need an "active" state for primary links, and they look like they're floating 1px or so above the bottom border of the header area? - The blue footer doesn't look right to me. Nothing else on the page has such a solid area of color. -rowan
Demo Site: http://www.drupalart.org/drupal48
It's looking pretty decent so far, but I do not like the following: 1. The document icon is too clunky. Need a new icon that is a few pixels skinnier and crisper. I like the comment icon and the Navigation menu item bullets however. 2. I also have issue with the 1px of solid white under the primary links. I think that should be removed, connecting the nav with that solid bar and then the active link could be the same color as the bar, while the other links would be in the "background" and be a darker color. I've always really liked this since Amazon.com did it about 12 years ago. It really gives the user a feeling of "you are on this section of the site". 3. The sublinks on the contact page needs some work, not exactly sure what. It looks a little strange with that blue bar expanding beyond the primary nav since I feel the subnav is the "child" of the primary nav and therefore should be skinnier. :P Thanks for your hard work! Rob Roy Barreca Founder and COO Electronic Insight Corporation http://www.electronicinsight.com rob@electronicinsight.com Farsheed wrote:
Hi,
I've made some significant updates to the delicious zen theme aimed at core. It would be great if people could test the theme so there might be some chance of it getting in core.
Issue Thread: http://drupal.org/node/81217
Demo Site: http://www.drupalart.org/drupal48
Download: http://drupal.org/files/issues/delicious_zen_11.zip
Thanks!
-Farsheed
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2. I also have issue with the 1px of solid white under the primary links. I think that should be removed, connecting the nav with that solid bar and then the active link could be the same color as the bar, while the other links would be in the "background" and be a darker color. I've always really liked this since Amazon.com did it about 12 years ago. It really gives the user a feeling of "you are on this section of the site".
In response to general design questions, I do not want to stray too far from the design this theme is based on: http://www.oswd.org/files/designs/2634/Deliciously_Blue/ I have played around with the "active" link states but still haven't found anything that doesn't look clunky or weird. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
12 sep 2006 kl. 22.00 skrev Farsheed:
In response to general design questions, I do not want to stray too far from the design this theme is based on: http://www.oswd.org/files/designs/2634/Deliciously_Blue/
Alright. Here are a few things that I like better with the original than in the Drupal copy (speaking as a designer who does some web development - not the other way around): - The balance between sizes of different elements is better - particularly when it comes to font sizes. I like the smaller body text in the original. At least the sidebar should have smaller text and smaller line-height (plus more subtle or even removed icons) to improve the balance and make it less cluttered. The site title looks a bit too small compared to node titles in the current state. - Please use {text-align: left;} on the body text (as in the original). Justified text is just plain bad on the web if you ask me. (It has to do with the spacing between words which can vary a great deal without proper hyphenation.) - I'm not a fan of the icons - any icons - on this page. Anyway, good job! I know you can't follow everyone's opinion, indeed you shouldn't. So sticking to the original might be a good idea, unless you yourself or someone with some art direction skills has some strong feelings either way. /Hannes - zoo33
"Hannes Lilljequist" wrote:
Justified text is just plain bad on the web if you ask me.
Granted that you said "if you ask me", I would only add that justified text is not "plain bad" or "plain good" in any display medium. It is "more bad" or "less good" when the __line length__ is long than when the __line length__ is short. No matter whether on paper or on-screen, fully justified text becomes harder for humans to read as the line length gets longer. This is, mostly, to do with the between-word spacing, because human beings do not read letters and words individually, they read them in varying sized chunks [much research on this topic is available]. Anyway, I'm just offering that it's not "the web" which is problematic for justified text, it's the length of the line. In a narrow column, humans can often read faster and with more accuracy when the text is justified. Hyphenation is -- always -- an issue in type setting, and you are right to raise that as a consideration. -- inkfree
It is "more bad" or "less good" when the __line length__ is long than when the __line length__ is short. No matter whether on paper or on-screen, fully justified text becomes harder for humans to read as the line length gets longer. This is, mostly, to do with the between-word spacing, because human beings do not read letters and words individually, they read them in varying sized chunks [much research on this topic is available].
I concur with everything inkfree said regarding justification and line length. To wit you may say "but, morbus, why would you want a fluid design by default if you agree that long lines are wrong?" For the exact definition of "fluid" - it is more malleable. I can resize it to how /I/ feel is the best reading ability for me, my screen, my font size, my current workspace settings, and resolution. Also, some pages of Drupal simply look like ass when wrapped - consider the watchdog log: it was never meant to word-wrap (if it did, we'd never have limited the initial message display to a certain letter limit). -- Morbus Iff ( they should rename controlled chaos to morbus droppings ) Technical: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779 Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus
On Wednesday 13 September 2006 12:17, Morbus Iff wrote:
For the exact definition of "fluid" - it is more malleable. I can resize it to how /I/ feel is the best reading ability for me, my screen, my font size, my current workspace settings, and resolution.
Hear, hear! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Syscrusher (Scott Courtney) Drupal page: http://drupal.org/user/9184 syscrusher at 4th dot com Home page: http://4th.com/
13 sep 2006 kl. 18.00 skrev inkfree press:
"Hannes Lilljequist" wrote:Granted that you said "if you ask me", I would only add that justified text is not "plain bad" or "plain good" in any display medium.
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Hyphenation is -- always -- an issue in type setting, and you are right to raise that as a consideration.
Well, the lack of typographic control - hyphenation in particular - is the reason why I regard justified text as "plain bad" on the web. There is no way I would use it anywhere where I can't control the hyphenation and the text flow. I was trying to keep my comments short, that's why I may have generalized a bit. No need to discuss typographic theory in this thread, right? I guess the actual question is: do we really want to use justified text in this theme? I say no. /Hannes
Hi, what about these icons? http://devitka.sh.cvut.cz/~meba/icons.png They are pretty decent and if accepted, i will release them as GNU/GPL... (Texts on the screenshot are in czech, but the icons are self descriptive :-) Jakub Suchy
Hey Jakub, thanks for sharing. Some initial thoughts: The clock icon is really tiny. Anyway to make it bigger? As it stands I think the icons might be a bit too flat, not sure it would work well with the theme. Compare with how the shading on the comment icon currently is a little more raised. Kinda gives it a friendlier feel. Farsheed --- Jakub Suchy <jakub@rtfm.cz> wrote:
Hi, what about these icons?
http://devitka.sh.cvut.cz/~meba/icons.png
They are pretty decent and if accepted, i will release them as GNU/GPL... (Texts on the screenshot are in czech, but the icons are self descriptive :-)
Jakub Suchy
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Farsheed wrote:
Hey Jakub, thanks for sharing. Some initial thoughts:
The clock icon is really tiny. Anyway to make it bigger? As it stands I think the icons might be a bit too flat, not sure it would work well with the theme. Compare with how the shading on the comment icon currently is a little more raised. Kinda gives it a friendlier feel.
This completely coincides with my initial thoughts -- that those icons were simply a little too flat. They need more anima.
Thank you for doing this, Farsheed. My main comment would be about the contrast. On my LCD monitor, the content text seems almost fuzzy to my eye. I think gray text is not advisable, especially for a default theme where usability should be job one (with aesthetics a close second). Some specific thoughts: I like the little icons, especially if they're named semantically (and thus intuitively easy for someone to replace) -- it's a great way to distinguish different content types. Calling tax terms "related" does not seem intuitive to me. It might be nice to incorporate the color scheme into the tables display, such as the forum page. As it is, it looks like an ugly gray box plopped into the page, a legacy styling that I think offers an opportunity here, perhaps drawing on what you did for the books. Main nav I like. Subnav, too. :hover feedback on the submit buttons would be nice. (Something like the main nav.) :hover on the links -- The fainter text may not be the strongest choice. (I find it almost illegible when hovering.) The main nav's hover is darker. It would be nice to emulate that in the text links. A little padding under the title might be nice. I look at the Contact page and the text tucked right up under it seems a bit crowded. On the fixed width, overall I think the main content column runs too wide. I'd prefer another 30px or so margin between the nodes and the sidebar. Overall, this is a nice step past Bluemarine without abandoning the Drupal-blue branding. Best, Laura On Sep 11, 2006, at 7:35 PM, Farsheed wrote:
Hi,
I've made some significant updates to the delicious zen theme aimed at core. It would be great if people could test the theme so there might be some chance of it getting in core.
Issue Thread: http://drupal.org/node/81217
Demo Site: http://www.drupalart.org/drupal48
Download: http://drupal.org/files/issues/delicious_zen_11.zip
Thanks!
-Farsheed
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Frando (Franz Heinzmann) -
Gary Feldman -
Hannes Lilljequist -
inkfree press -
Jakub Suchy -
Johan Forngren -
Khalid B -
Laura Scott -
Morbus Iff -
Rob Barreca -
Rowan Kerr -
Syscrusher -
Trae McCombs -
Walt Daniels