Hi all,
is there any easy way to know what modules a theme is depending on? I have a theme from a Drupal 6 site with a multitude of installed modules. When I use the theme on a plain vanilla Drupal install a blank page is installed. I really do not want to go through all the tpl files to see what modules are referenced. How is a problem like this tackled?
Thanks.
Bert
It's bad practice for themes to have module dependencies like that. There is no centralized standard for tracking modules that a theme depends on. You'll have to go through the entire theme looking for references to modules.
If you want to be kind to the next person who has to maintain the site, you could break out any template code that has module dependency as a custom module or Feature, so that the module dependencies can be declared.
David Landry
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Bert Van Kets mailing@vankets.com wrote:
Hi all,
is there any easy way to know what modules a theme is depending on? I have a theme from a Drupal 6 site with a multitude of installed modules. When I use the theme on a plain vanilla Drupal install a blank page is installed. I really do not want to go through all the tpl files to see what modules are referenced. How is a problem like this tackled?
Thanks.
Bert _______________________________________________ themes mailing list themes@drupal.org http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/themes
David,
Doesn't the opposite exist where modules request specific theming modules? Is there a standard set of theming modules yet, or must you just test to see if the function exists?
Warren Vail
From: themes-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:themes-bounces@drupal.org] On Behalf Of David Landry Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 2:17 PM To: A list for theme developers Subject: Re: [themes] theme dependencies
It's bad practice for themes to have module dependencies like that. There is no centralized standard for tracking modules that a theme depends on. You'll have to go through the entire theme looking for references to modules.
If you want to be kind to the next person who has to maintain the site, you could break out any template code that has module dependency as a custom module or Feature, so that the module dependencies can be declared.
David Landry
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Bert Van Kets mailing@vankets.com wrote:
Hi all,
is there any easy way to know what modules a theme is depending on? I have a theme from a Drupal 6 site with a multitude of installed modules. When I use the theme on a plain vanilla Drupal install a blank page is installed. I really do not want to go through all the tpl files to see what modules are referenced. How is a problem like this tackled?
Thanks.
Bert _______________________________________________ themes mailing list themes@drupal.org http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/themes
Bert,
Have you checked the watchdog table and the php/apache error logs for the specific error?
*Ryan LeTulle* * * *ryan@bayousoft.com* *(337) 351-6497* * * **
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Warren Vail warren@vailtech.net wrote:
David,****
Doesn’t the opposite exist where modules request specific theming modules? Is there a standard set of theming modules yet, or must you just test to see if the function exists?****
*Warren Vail*
*From:* themes-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:themes-bounces@drupal.org] *On Behalf Of *David Landry *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2011 2:17 PM *To:* A list for theme developers *Subject:* Re: [themes] theme dependencies****
It's bad practice for themes to have module dependencies like that. There is no centralized standard for tracking modules that a theme depends on. You'll have to go through the entire theme looking for references to modules.****
If you want to be kind to the next person who has to maintain the site, you could break out any template code that has module dependency as a custom module or Feature, so that the module dependencies can be declared.****
David Landry****
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Bert Van Kets mailing@vankets.com wrote:
Hi all,
is there any easy way to know what modules a theme is depending on? I have a theme from a Drupal 6 site with a multitude of installed modules. When I use the theme on a plain vanilla Drupal install a blank page is installed. I really do not want to go through all the tpl files to see what modules are referenced. How is a problem like this tackled?
Thanks.
Bert _______________________________________________ themes mailing list themes@drupal.org http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/themes****
themes mailing list themes@drupal.org http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/themes
Warren,
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "theming modules." The first thing that comes to mind is something like HTML5 Toolshttp://drupal.org/project/html5_tools. The HTML5 Base http://drupal.org/project/html5_base theme is "designed to go with HTML5 Tools," but HTML5 Tools does its magic before anything reaches the theme layer, leaving no reason for the theme to call any HTML5 Tools functions.
David Landry
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Warren Vail warren@vailtech.net wrote:
David,****
Doesn’t the opposite exist where modules request specific theming modules? Is there a standard set of theming modules yet, or must you just test to see if the function exists?****
*Warren Vail*
*From:* themes-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:themes-bounces@drupal.org] *On Behalf Of *David Landry *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2011 2:17 PM *To:* A list for theme developers *Subject:* Re: [themes] theme dependencies****
It's bad practice for themes to have module dependencies like that. There is no centralized standard for tracking modules that a theme depends on. You'll have to go through the entire theme looking for references to modules.****
If you want to be kind to the next person who has to maintain the site, you could break out any template code that has module dependency as a custom module or Feature, so that the module dependencies can be declared.****
David Landry****
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Bert Van Kets mailing@vankets.com wrote:
Hi all,
is there any easy way to know what modules a theme is depending on? I have a theme from a Drupal 6 site with a multitude of installed modules. When I use the theme on a plain vanilla Drupal install a blank page is installed. I really do not want to go through all the tpl files to see what modules are referenced. How is a problem like this tackled?
Thanks.
Bert _______________________________________________ themes mailing list themes@drupal.org http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/themes****
themes mailing list themes@drupal.org http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/themes
If you see a future need, I recommend http://drupal.org/node/474684 "dependencies[] for themes, so they can depend on modules". Now filed for Drupal 8.
Laura
On Sep 1, 2011, at 6:03 PM, David Landry wrote:
Warren,
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "theming modules." The first thing that comes to mind is something like HTML5 Tools. The HTML5 Base theme is "designed to go with HTML5 Tools," but HTML5 Tools does its magic before anything reaches the theme layer, leaving no reason for the theme to call any HTML5 Tools functions.
David Landry
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Warren Vail warren@vailtech.net wrote: David,
Doesn’t the opposite exist where modules request specific theming modules? Is there a standard set of theming modules yet, or must you just test to see if the function exists?
Warren Vail
From: themes-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:themes-bounces@drupal.org] On Behalf Of David Landry Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 2:17 PM To: A list for theme developers Subject: Re: [themes] theme dependencies
It's bad practice for themes to have module dependencies like that. There is no centralized standard for tracking modules that a theme depends on. You'll have to go through the entire theme looking for references to modules.
If you want to be kind to the next person who has to maintain the site, you could break out any template code that has module dependency as a custom module or Feature, so that the module dependencies can be declared.
David Landry
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Bert Van Kets mailing@vankets.com wrote:
Hi all,
is there any easy way to know what modules a theme is depending on? I have a theme from a Drupal 6 site with a multitude of installed modules. When I use the theme on a plain vanilla Drupal install a blank page is installed. I really do not want to go through all the tpl files to see what modules are referenced. How is a problem like this tackled?
Thanks.
Bert _______________________________________________ themes mailing list themes@drupal.org http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/themes
themes mailing list themes@drupal.org http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/themes
themes mailing list themes@drupal.org http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/themes
Sorry I miss spoke (or typed).
There is mention in many of the Drupal programming books of theming functions that can be invoked by a module. I don't understand them fully yet, but I believe some of them are standard and others may not be. I believe the idea is to make sure the theming is kept separate from the data, even if some of the theming is data dependent (something that proponents of separation tend discount), a compromise at best.
Warren Vail
_____
From: themes-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:themes-bounces@drupal.org] On Behalf Of David Landry Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:03 PM To: A list for theme developers Subject: Re: [themes] theme dependencies
Warren,
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "theming modules." The first thing that comes to mind is something like HTML5 Tools http://drupal.org/project/html5_tools . The HTML5 Base http://drupal.org/project/html5_base theme is "designed to go with HTML5 Tools," but HTML5 Tools does its magic before anything reaches the theme layer, leaving no reason for the theme to call any HTML5 Tools functions.
David Landry
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Warren Vail warren@vailtech.net wrote:
David,
Doesn't the opposite exist where modules request specific theming modules? Is there a standard set of theming modules yet, or must you just test to see if the function exists?
Warren Vail
From: themes-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:themes-bounces@drupal.org] On Behalf Of David Landry Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 2:17 PM To: A list for theme developers Subject: Re: [themes] theme dependencies
It's bad practice for themes to have module dependencies like that. There is no centralized standard for tracking modules that a theme depends on. You'll have to go through the entire theme looking for references to modules.
If you want to be kind to the next person who has to maintain the site, you could break out any template code that has module dependency as a custom module or Feature, so that the module dependencies can be declared.
David Landry
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Bert Van Kets mailing@vankets.com wrote:
Hi all,
is there any easy way to know what modules a theme is depending on? I have a theme from a Drupal 6 site with a multitude of installed modules. When I use the theme on a plain vanilla Drupal install a blank page is installed. I really do not want to go through all the tpl files to see what modules are referenced. How is a problem like this tackled?
Thanks.
Bert _______________________________________________ themes mailing list themes@drupal.org http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/themes
_______________________________________________ themes mailing list themes@drupal.org http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/themes
Ahh, yes a module can declare theme hooks so that other things can theme the output of the module. It's perfectly safe to use these module-specific theme hooks in your theme because of the way the drupal hook system works. As far as the PHP parser is concerned, you're just declaring a new function. If the module that uses that theme hook is present, it'll call that function to theme its output. If the module that uses that theme hook isn't there, the function will never be called.
David Landry
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Warren Vail warren@vailtech.net wrote:
Sorry I miss spoke (or typed).****
There is mention in many of the Drupal programming books of theming functions that can be invoked by a module. I don’t understand them fully yet, but I believe some of them are standard and others may not be. I believe the idea is to make sure the theming is kept separate from the data, even if some of the theming is data dependent (something that proponents of separation tend discount), a compromise at best.****
*Warren Vail*****
*From:* themes-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:themes-bounces@drupal.org] *On Behalf Of *David Landry *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:03 PM
*To:* A list for theme developers *Subject:* Re: [themes] theme dependencies
****Warren****,****
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "theming modules." The first thing that comes to mind is something like HTML5 Toolshttp://drupal.org/project/html5_tools. The HTML5 Base http://drupal.org/project/html5_base theme is "designed to go with HTML5 Tools," but HTML5 Tools does its magic before anything reaches the theme layer, leaving no reason for the theme to call any HTML5 Tools functions.****
David Landry****
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Warren Vail warren@vailtech.net wrote:** **
David,****
Doesn’t the opposite exist where modules request specific theming modules? Is there a standard set of theming modules yet, or must you just test to see if the function exists?****
*Warren Vail*****
*From:* themes-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:themes-bounces@drupal.org] *On Behalf Of *David Landry *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2011 2:17 PM *To:* A list for theme developers *Subject:* Re: [themes] theme dependencies****
It's bad practice for themes to have module dependencies like that. There is no centralized standard for tracking modules that a theme depends on. You'll have to go through the entire theme looking for references to modules.****
If you want to be kind to the next person who has to maintain the site, you could break out any template code that has module dependency as a custom module or Feature, so that the module dependencies can be declared.****
David Landry****
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Bert Van Kets mailing@vankets.com wrote:
Hi all,
is there any easy way to know what modules a theme is depending on? I have a theme from a Drupal 6 site with a multitude of installed modules. When I use the theme on a plain vanilla Drupal install a blank page is installed. I really do not want to go through all the tpl files to see what modules are referenced. How is a problem like this tackled?
Thanks.
Bert _______________________________________________ themes mailing list themes@drupal.org http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/themes****
themes mailing list themes@drupal.org http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/themes****
themes mailing list themes@drupal.org http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/themes
Has any standard set of these functions evolved like listing headers, odd/even detail lines, line specific buttons, or checkboxes?
I would think that themes would eventually need to have a standard set of these functions in order to avoid losing control over theme inter-changability, especially when employing things like jquery's scrollable listings.
Warren Vail
_____
From: themes-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:themes-bounces@drupal.org] On Behalf Of David Landry Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 10:21 AM To: A list for theme developers Subject: Re: [themes] theme dependencies
Ahh, yes a module can declare theme hooks so that other things can theme the output of the module. It's perfectly safe to use these module-specific theme hooks in your theme because of the way the drupal hook system works. As far as the PHP parser is concerned, you're just declaring a new function. If the module that uses that theme hook is present, it'll call that function to theme its output. If the module that uses that theme hook isn't there, the function will never be called.
David Landry
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Warren Vail warren@vailtech.net wrote:
Sorry I miss spoke (or typed).
There is mention in many of the Drupal programming books of theming functions that can be invoked by a module. I don't understand them fully yet, but I believe some of them are standard and others may not be. I believe the idea is to make sure the theming is kept separate from the data, even if some of the theming is data dependent (something that proponents of separation tend discount), a compromise at best.
Warren Vail
_____
From: themes-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:themes-bounces@drupal.org] On Behalf Of David Landry Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:03 PM
To: A list for theme developers Subject: Re: [themes] theme dependencies
Warren,
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "theming modules." The first thing that comes to mind is something like HTML5 Tools http://drupal.org/project/html5_tools . The HTML5 Base http://drupal.org/project/html5_base theme is "designed to go with HTML5 Tools," but HTML5 Tools does its magic before anything reaches the theme layer, leaving no reason for the theme to call any HTML5 Tools functions.
David Landry
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Warren Vail warren@vailtech.net wrote:
David,
Doesn't the opposite exist where modules request specific theming modules? Is there a standard set of theming modules yet, or must you just test to see if the function exists?
Warren Vail
From: themes-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:themes-bounces@drupal.org] On Behalf Of David Landry Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 2:17 PM To: A list for theme developers Subject: Re: [themes] theme dependencies
It's bad practice for themes to have module dependencies like that. There is no centralized standard for tracking modules that a theme depends on. You'll have to go through the entire theme looking for references to modules.
If you want to be kind to the next person who has to maintain the site, you could break out any template code that has module dependency as a custom module or Feature, so that the module dependencies can be declared.
David Landry
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Bert Van Kets mailing@vankets.com wrote:
Hi all,
is there any easy way to know what modules a theme is depending on? I have a theme from a Drupal 6 site with a multitude of installed modules. When I use the theme on a plain vanilla Drupal install a blank page is installed. I really do not want to go through all the tpl files to see what modules are referenced. How is a problem like this tackled?
Thanks.
Bert _______________________________________________ themes mailing list themes@drupal.org http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/themes
_______________________________________________ themes mailing list themes@drupal.org http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/themes
_______________________________________________ themes mailing list themes@drupal.org http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/themes
There are some theme hooks declared by drupal core. For example, theme('item_list', $list, '', 'ul') will turn your array into an unordered list. The hook that's called is line includes/theme.inc:1806 in drupal 7. If you look through theme.inc, you can find other standard drupal theme hooks.
The wonderful thing about theme hooks is you can override them in your theme's template.php file or with template files (see http://drupal.org/node/173880)
David Landry
On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 11:58 AM, Warren Vail warren@vailtech.net wrote:
Has any standard set of these functions evolved like listing headers, odd/even detail lines, line specific buttons, or checkboxes?****
I would think that themes would eventually need to have a standard set of these functions in order to avoid losing control over theme inter-changability, especially when employing things like jquery’s scrollable listings.****
*Warren Vail*****
*From:* themes-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:themes-bounces@drupal.org] *On Behalf Of *David Landry *Sent:* Saturday, September 03, 2011 10:21 AM
*To:* A list for theme developers *Subject:* Re: [themes] theme dependencies
Ahh, yes a module can declare theme hooks so that other things can theme the output of the module. It's perfectly safe to use these module-specific theme hooks in your theme because of the way the drupal hook system works. As far as the PHP parser is concerned, you're just declaring a new function. If the module that uses that theme hook is present, it'll call that function to theme its output. If the module that uses that theme hook isn't there, the function will never be called.****
David Landry****
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 10:06 PM, Warren Vail warren@vailtech.net wrote:*
Sorry I miss spoke (or typed).****
There is mention in many of the Drupal programming books of theming functions that can be invoked by a module. I don’t understand them fully yet, but I believe some of them are standard and others may not be. I believe the idea is to make sure the theming is kept separate from the data, even if some of the theming is data dependent (something that proponents of separation tend discount), a compromise at best.****
*Warren Vail*****
*From:* themes-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:themes-bounces@drupal.org] *On Behalf Of *David Landry *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:03 PM****
*To:* A list for theme developers *Subject:* Re: [themes] theme dependencies****
****Warren****,****
I'm not sure I understand what you mean by "theming modules." The first thing that comes to mind is something like HTML5 Toolshttp://drupal.org/project/html5_tools. The HTML5 Base http://drupal.org/project/html5_base theme is "designed to go with HTML5 Tools," but HTML5 Tools does its magic before anything reaches the theme layer, leaving no reason for the theme to call any HTML5 Tools functions.****
David Landry****
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Warren Vail warren@vailtech.net wrote:** **
David,****
Doesn’t the opposite exist where modules request specific theming modules? Is there a standard set of theming modules yet, or must you just test to see if the function exists?****
*Warren Vail*****
*From:* themes-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:themes-bounces@drupal.org] *On Behalf Of *David Landry *Sent:* Thursday, September 01, 2011 2:17 PM *To:* A list for theme developers *Subject:* Re: [themes] theme dependencies****
It's bad practice for themes to have module dependencies like that. There is no centralized standard for tracking modules that a theme depends on. You'll have to go through the entire theme looking for references to modules.****
If you want to be kind to the next person who has to maintain the site, you could break out any template code that has module dependency as a custom module or Feature, so that the module dependencies can be declared.****
David Landry****
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Bert Van Kets mailing@vankets.com wrote:
Hi all,
is there any easy way to know what modules a theme is depending on? I have a theme from a Drupal 6 site with a multitude of installed modules. When I use the theme on a plain vanilla Drupal install a blank page is installed. I really do not want to go through all the tpl files to see what modules are referenced. How is a problem like this tackled?
Thanks.
Bert _______________________________________________ themes mailing list themes@drupal.org http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/themes****
themes mailing list themes@drupal.org http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/themes****
themes mailing list themes@drupal.org http://lists.drupal.org/mailman/listinfo/themes****
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