[consulting] consulting Digest, Vol 38, Issue 70

Fri Mar 27 01:17:28 UTC 2009

not to be a prick but can you change your subject in lieu of responding to
the digest message in the future.

thanks, Jim
2009/3/26 Arnold Leung <arnold at appnovation.com>

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>>   1. Re: Estimation-Blowout case-studies wanted (Matt Chapman)
>>   2. Re: Estimation-Blowout case-studies wanted (Matt Chapman)
>>   3. Re: Estimation-Blowout case-studies wanted (Michael Prasuhn)
>>   4. Re: Estimation-Blowout case-studies wanted (Victor Kane)
>>   5. Re: Estimation-Blowout case-studies wanted (Darrel O'Pry)
>>   6. Re: enormously scalable project (Laura Scott)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 11:07:17 -0700
>> From: Matt Chapman <Matt at NinjitsuWeb.com>
>> Subject: Re: [consulting] Estimation-Blowout case-studies wanted
>> To: A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers
>>        <consulting at drupal.org>
>> Message-ID: <49CBC455.4010905 at NinjitsuWeb.com>
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>> Victor Kane wrote:
>> > Of course we have a right to publish our minimum wage!
>> Agreed. Another fallacy in this discussion is the assumption that
>> possessing a law degree makes counsel automatically correct. Lawyers are
>> less interested in True or False and more interested in Win or Lose. If
>> they can Win a client by advising against a battle they are personally
>> likely to Lose, they will advise accordingly, without suggesting that
>> the battle might be Won by someone else under the right circumstances.
>> Of course, as "War Games" taught us, sometimes the only way to Win is to
>> not play the game.
>>
>> > Of course we have a right to declare rates beneath which no-one should
>> > be accepting work.
>> Who is 'we' here? I don't think the community has any right to force an
>> individual to refuse the opportunity to earn. Each individual has the
>> right to determine for themselves what standard of living is acceptable
>> to them, and therefore the wages they must earn to support that standard
>> of living. In a free society, if I don't have the skills to earn that
>> wage, I can learn them; if I'm in the wrong place to exercise my skills,
>> I can go to the right place. (In a just society, those who can go and
>> can learn will provide an average standard of living for those those who
>> can't.)
>>
>> In the internet age, the 'going' is almost entirely irrelevant. What an
>> amazing era we live in, where anyone with an internet connection and
>> sufficient self-motivation can become an independent Drupal developer
>> and earn $1000/per week with moderate effort! In the better part of the
>> world, Drupal can, at the present, provide the opportunity to live like
>> a king.
>>
>> To hope that this present state will sustain itself endlessly is
>> obviously foolish. It is the nature of Life itself to compete, change,
>> grow, and progress. One who insists on maintaining the status quo should
>> not be surprised that 'death' is the result. Artificial systems to
>> enforce the status quo are artificial life support: living death. No
>> thanks.
>>
>> I charge a fairly high rate compared to some; I don't begrudge anyone
>> the opportunity to work for less, if the amount they receive allows them
>> to provide a quality service and support their chosen lifestyle. If they
>> aren't providing quality, their client's will decide my services are
>> worth the higher price; if they aren't supporting their lifestyle, they
>> will raise their rates closer to mine. If they are successful to the
>> point that my clients are leaving me, I will be forced to improve the
>> quality of my services, or find new services to offer that can command
>> the rate I need for my chosen lifestyle. The free market system, while
>> far from perfect and not prone to ensure justice of it's own accord, is
>> self-correcting.
>>
>> Fortunately, in the world of IT, there is always some hot new technology
>> which can be offered for obscene prices until the rest of the workers
>> catch on, then I can alter my lifestyle, or find the next technology.
>> wash, rinse, and repeat. If you don't like having to learn new skills
>> every couple years, I suggest abandoning the information age society for
>> subsistence farming; it's still a viable option. The era of assurances
>> of predictably increasing earnings over one's career is gone; everyone
>> under thirty should know this and should plan accordingly. The only way
>> to continually increase earnings is to continually increase knowledge.
>> Artificial controls on earnings, especially in technology, will only
>> hinder innovation and progress. Our present economic situation in the
>> USA is precisely because too many people expected things to continue as
>> they always have, and too few people planned for change.
>>
>> (Perhaps as a counterpart to Agile Programming Techniques, we need
>> evangelists for Agile Living Techniques. Assume what you know and what
>> you need today is not an effective predictor of what you will need and
>> learn tomorrow.)
>>
>> This is perhaps ultimately what distinguishes a Consultant from a
>> Worker. My primary value is not so much what I can do; it's is what I am
>> capable of learning to do. Client's need me when they need someone who
>> can do what has never been done before. I thrive under such challenges,
>> which is why I am drawn to consulting. Maybe a world is emerging where
>> we must all become consultants, or else learn to grow our crops and
>> build our own homes. I don't consider it a tragedy if the middle road
>> disappears entirely, but I understand why other's might.
>>
>> As long as we are providing a service that the "bosses" need, we have
>> the power; centralizing that power will only inhibit the liberty of the
>> individual. Tyranny from the association of workers is no better than
>> the tyranny from the association of bosses.
>>
>> When information capital is the prime commodity and information is as
>> free as it is now on the internet, those with money capital (i.e., your
>> "bosses") are no longer advantaged. Long live OLPC, Wikipedia, oDesk,
>> and CreativeCommons.
>>
>> I'm thankful to live in a society where I can chose to be my own boss
>> anytime I want. The solution in the worker/boss struggle is not for the
>> workers to gang up against the bosses; it is for the workers to BECOME
>> the bosses. Drupal has made this possible for me, and for that, I'm
>> truly thankful.
>>
>> Best to all,
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:29:26 -0700
>> From: Matt Chapman <Matt at NinjitsuWeb.com>
>> Subject: Re: [consulting] Estimation-Blowout case-studies wanted
>> To: A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers
>>        <consulting at drupal.org>
>> Message-ID: <49CBD796.1020905 at NinjitsuWeb.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Robert Foley wrote:
>> > Rates go up and down, salaries go up and down what really matters is
>> > are you doing what you love (and or does your job allow you fund that
>> > which you love)? If not, then keep searching for another career or job
>> > or idea that will.
>> What he said. Sorry for the redundancy in my excruciatingly long
>> babblings.
>>
>> If brevity is the soul of wit, then those who call my musings soul-less
>> may be right. I am, however, eager to hear the response of those who
>> think it wit-less. In reviewing the tone of my comments, I noticed again
>> that I tend to state as fact things which I'm merely pondering, so I
>> don't want to dissuade anyone who might be able to enhance my education
>> with their own thoughts on the subject, even if presented less
>> dogmatically.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
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>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 13:57:30 -0700
>> From: Michael Prasuhn <mike at mikeyp.net>
>> Subject: Re: [consulting] Estimation-Blowout case-studies wanted
>> To: A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers
>>        <consulting at drupal.org>
>> Message-ID: <A4D5D1C3-D517-4379-AF84-CB3F10D96975 at mikeyp.net>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
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>> On Mar 26, 2009, at 3:59 AM, Victor Kane wrote:
>>
>> > Otherwise we'll all be washing dishes in Soho, because it's a better
>> > paid job than developing websites.
>>
>>
>> You have piqued my interest. Can you elaborate?
>>
>> This 'Soho' place, is it nice? What kind of dishes?
>>
>> -Mike
>>
>> __________________
>> Michael Prasuhn
>> 503.488.5433 office
>> mike at mikeyp.net
>> http://mikeyp.net
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:56:52 -0300
>> From: Victor Kane <victorkane at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [consulting] Estimation-Blowout case-studies wanted
>> To: "A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting
>>        providers"      <consulting at drupal.org>
>> Message-ID:
>>        <ff176450903261456m21683f3co88d4e75c3ecefc69 at mail.gmail.com>
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>> First class dishes!
>> My keyboard weary fingertips soak in the hottub of sinkwater
>> A simple life
>> Movement and the zen of no thought
>> Money in the bank
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 26, 2009 at 5:57 PM, Michael Prasuhn <mike at mikeyp.net> wrote:
>>
>> > On Mar 26, 2009, at 3:59 AM, Victor Kane wrote:
>> >
>> >  Otherwise we'll all be washing dishes in Soho, because it's a better
>> paid
>> >> job than developing websites.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > You have piqued my interest. Can you elaborate?
>> >
>> > This 'Soho' place, is it nice? What kind of dishes?
>> >
>> > -Mike
>> >
>> > __________________
>> > Michael Prasuhn
>> > 503.488.5433 office
>> > mike at mikeyp.net
>> > http://mikeyp.net
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:42:25 -0400
>> From: "Darrel O'Pry" <darrel.opry at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [consulting] Estimation-Blowout case-studies wanted
>> To: "A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting
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>> The sledgehammer and crowbar of gordon matta clarke made it beautiful. The
>> greed and wealth of the soulless made it a dim echo of what it was.
>>
>> On Mar 26, 2009 4:58 PM, "Michael Prasuhn" <mike at mikeyp.net> wrote:
>>
>> On Mar 26, 2009, at 3:59 AM, Victor Kane wrote: > Otherwise we'll all be
>> washing dishes in Soho, be...
>> You have piqued my interest. Can you elaborate?
>>
>> This 'Soho' place, is it nice? What kind of dishes?
>>
>> -Mike
>>
>> __________________ Michael Prasuhn 503.488.5433 office
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>> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:33:16 -0600
>> From: Laura Scott <pinglaura at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [consulting] enormously scalable project
>> To: A list for Drupal consultants and Drupal service/hosting providers
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>> On Sat Mar 21, 2009, at 8:21 am, Khalid Baheyeldin wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > However, there are four firms I'm aware of with specific focus on
>> > scalability:
>> >
>> > http://www.tag1consulting.com/ - "LAMP Performance and Scalability
>> > Experts" tap into experience running drupal.org and several other
>> > large scale sites to help their customers.  Also have some good
>> > resources (patches, articles) on their site.
>> >
>> > http://fourkitchens.com/ - Pressflow is their distribution of Drupal
>> > which has extra patches to make it perform/scale better in a MySQL
>> > only environment.  They also provide advice on hardware/software for
>> > scalability.
>> >
>> > http://www.workhabit.com/products/elastic2 - Provide services around
>> > scalable Drupal in Amazon's cloud, and historically have offered
>> > consulting on making Drupal scalable elsewhere as well.
>> >
>> > Acquia - nothing generally available yet, but Dries mentioned in the
>> > 2009 roadmap that they will offer a product code-named "Fields" to
>> > help people scale Drupal on Amazon's web service infrastructure -
>> > http://buytaert.net/acquia-2009-roadmap  They are probably offering a
>> > closed beta of this now - contact a sales rep if interested in trying
>> > it out.
>> >
>> > And 2bits.com
>> >
>> >
>> http://2bits.com/articles/drupal-performance-tuning-and-optimization-for-large-web-sites.html
>> >
>> >
>> http://2bits.com/services/drupal-performance-assessment-tuning-and-optimization.html
>>
>> And pingVision (though we haven't been blogging about it, really -
>> http://pingv.com/services/drupal-deployment-scaling-performance-tuning)
>>
>> Laura
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