Interesting that we should have two very different experiences with the same products. Wish I could peep over your shoulder as you worked one and then the other. I find CodeIgnighter to speak a language I already know. Where as with Drupal, I am lost. I have tried on and off for two years now, 6 & 7, and I just don't get it. Wish I did. To do what I want, I find I have to do endless work a-rounds and overrides. For me, it is just so much easier to write my own php, jQuery, and talk directly with my database. Wish I did get Drupal. Maybe I tried too hard.
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From: Todd todd@savagevenus.net Sent: Feb 25, 2012 7:49 PM To: support@drupal.org Subject: Re: [support] Drupal7 or CodeIgniter fro new website?
To each his own, of course, but the time I tried CodeIgniter, I found it to be a dreadful experience - everything from the code to the support was just subpar and I've found that doing something in Drupal took half the time it would have taken me to do it in CodeIgniter.
Regards, Todd
On 25 Feb 2012, at 19:21, George Dawson wrote:
As you said, you can fix a problem in codeIgnighter in a matter of minutes. So, why do you not want to use codeIgnighter? It is not an admission of failure to use the quicker and easier to use tool. Not to mention, performance is far better.
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From: Afan Pasalic afan@afan.net Sent: Feb 25, 2012 11:39 AM To: support@drupal.org Subject: Re: [support] Drupal7 or CodeIgniter fro new website?
This is what bother me a most. To test, I installed D7 on my local machine and created content type "Place". Added image field (thumbnail), 5 text fields (Address, City, State, Zip, Phone). Added a node and got, for Address part: Address: 123 Main St. City: Drupal Town State: DS Zip: 12345 Phone:>123-456-7890
Looks ugly. I removed labels but Address label on the top and put Phone label inline. I got: Address: 123 Main St. Drupal Town DS 12345 Phone: 123-456-7890
Better, but still ugly. For a last two hours I was trying to google ho to fix this and get city, state and zip in one line - no luck.
The space between Thumbnail and Address is to small - how to make it bigger. I was google-ing too. Again no luck.
To solve this I believe simple, kind of basic, problem, I need Forum and this list, I have to wait couple hours, maybe day or two. What can I expect when it comes to something "larger"?
If I have to "correct" this in CodeIgniter, it's matter of minutes.
But, are these Drupal "baby steps" something I HAVE TO go through as a beginner, as everybody else? Or am I taking wrong approach?
I'm not trying to say or prove anything. I'm just asking you for your opinion and just trying to make decision what to use for my next website.
Sorry for being such a cry-baby :-)
On 2/24/2012 11:20 AM, Afan Pasalic wrote:
Hi, I plan to build website about Rotue 66. And. according to my flow- chart, it will be a little bit more then basic site. Basic plot: on home page you will have an image (US map, or 8 Route 66 states map) with links to select a state. Once you select a state you will have a) list of cities (places) within the state you selected in the order they appear on the Route 66 (E.g. Kansas: Galena, Riverton, Baxter Springs. The order is from Chicago, IL to Los Angeles, CA) b) Google map with needles pointed to the cities within the state To see Places, you have to select a city from the list or the map. Once a city is selected a page should show a) list of Places in the city in the order they appear on the R66 (Cicero, IL: Cindy Lyn Motel, Henry;s Drive Inn, Robin Hood Muffler Shop, Bunyon's Hot Dogs) b) Google map with needles in Places. Clicking on the Place link on the list or clicking on the needle on the map, you will get to the Place page with more info about the Place: Name (title), History (body), Thumbnail, Location (geo- coordinates), Link to Galery/Photo album, Address. City, State. Zip info, etc.
It would be great to have multi-level menu "Places" on Main Manu where first level are States, second level Cities within the State you rolled-over. And, of course, States (first level) is clickable too and will show you page with cities in selected State (List/Google map)
I have two options to do this: a) using CodeIgniter and have mach more control over it (already know how to do that but it's a lot of coding involved) b) using Drupal7. It's probably much faster and safer but how much time I need to build something like this as a newbie with limited experience building very simple websites with Drupal 6 and 7 (static pages, contact form, forum, blog, and some work using View to show News on front page, block and News page)
Any thoughts?
Thanks a lot for any help.
Afan
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I think that while the languages might be similar the approaches are different, which is why two different people have two different experiences. I think that I should try it again, perhaps, just to see if things had changed as this was probably around the Drupal 6 era but I just remembered trying both for a project and ultimately ending up going with Drupal.
As for writing your own PHP, you can nearly do that with Drupal when it comes to hooks and such - I tend to use that approach myself, as I like to have full control over my creations and limit the number of tables, components, and other items that get used. That's not to say I do that for everything but I like to have that option available and use a steady mix of custom code and modules and contributed APIs like views and the like.
It's all about finding your comfort zone, though, whether it's CodeIgniter or Drupal.
Regards, Todd
On 25 Feb 2012, at 20:16, George Dawson wrote:
Interesting that we should have two very different experiences with the same products. Wish I could peep over your shoulder as you worked one and then the other. I find CodeIgnighter to speak a language I already know. Where as with Drupal, I am lost. I have tried on and off for two years now, 6 & 7, and I just don't get it. Wish I did. To do what I want, I find I have to do endless work a-rounds and overrides. For me, it is just so much easier to write my own php, jQuery, and talk directly with my database. Wish I did get Drupal. Maybe I tried too hard.
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From: Todd todd@savagevenus.net Sent: Feb 25, 2012 7:49 PM To: support@drupal.org Subject: Re: [support] Drupal7 or CodeIgniter fro new website?
To each his own, of course, but the time I tried CodeIgniter, I found it to be a dreadful experience - everything from the code to the support was just subpar and I've found that doing something in Drupal took half the time it would have taken me to do it in CodeIgniter.
Regards, Todd
On 25 Feb 2012, at 19:21, George Dawson wrote:
As you said, you can fix a problem in codeIgnighter in a matter of minutes. So, why do you not want to use codeIgnighter? It is not an admission of failure to use the quicker and easier to use tool. Not to mention, performance is far better.
-----Original Message-----
From: Afan Pasalic afan@afan.net Sent: Feb 25, 2012 11:39 AM To: support@drupal.org Subject: Re: [support] Drupal7 or CodeIgniter fro new website?
This is what bother me a most. To test, I installed D7 on my local machine and created content type "Place". Added image field (thumbnail), 5 text fields (Address, City, State, Zip, Phone). Added a node and got, for Address part: Address: 123 Main St. City: Drupal Town State: DS Zip: 12345 Phone:>123-456-7890
Looks ugly. I removed labels but Address label on the top and put Phone label inline. I got: Address: 123 Main St. Drupal Town DS 12345 Phone: 123-456-7890
Better, but still ugly. For a last two hours I was trying to google ho to fix this and get city, state and zip in one line - no luck.
The space between Thumbnail and Address is to small - how to make it bigger. I was google-ing too. Again no luck.
To solve this I believe simple, kind of basic, problem, I need Forum and this list, I have to wait couple hours, maybe day or two. What can I expect when it comes to something "larger"?
If I have to "correct" this in CodeIgniter, it's matter of minutes.
But, are these Drupal "baby steps" something I HAVE TO go through as a beginner, as everybody else? Or am I taking wrong approach?
I'm not trying to say or prove anything. I'm just asking you for your opinion and just trying to make decision what to use for my next website.
Sorry for being such a cry-baby :-)
On 2/24/2012 11:20 AM, Afan Pasalic wrote:
Hi, I plan to build website about Rotue 66. And. according to my flow- chart, it will be a little bit more then basic site. Basic plot: on home page you will have an image (US map, or 8 Route 66 states map) with links to select a state. Once you select a state you will have a) list of cities (places) within the state you selected in the order they appear on the Route 66 (E.g. Kansas: Galena, Riverton, Baxter Springs. The order is from Chicago, IL to Los Angeles, CA) b) Google map with needles pointed to the cities within the state To see Places, you have to select a city from the list or the map. Once a city is selected a page should show a) list of Places in the city in the order they appear on the R66 (Cicero, IL: Cindy Lyn Motel, Henry;s Drive Inn, Robin Hood Muffler Shop, Bunyon's Hot Dogs) b) Google map with needles in Places. Clicking on the Place link on the list or clicking on the needle on the map, you will get to the Place page with more info about the Place: Name (title), History (body), Thumbnail, Location (geo- coordinates), Link to Galery/Photo album, Address. City, State. Zip info, etc.
It would be great to have multi-level menu "Places" on Main Manu where first level are States, second level Cities within the State you rolled-over. And, of course, States (first level) is clickable too and will show you page with cities in selected State (List/Google map)
I have two options to do this: a) using CodeIgniter and have mach more control over it (already know how to do that but it's a lot of coding involved) b) using Drupal7. It's probably much faster and safer but how much time I need to build something like this as a newbie with limited experience building very simple websites with Drupal 6 and 7 (static pages, contact form, forum, blog, and some work using View to show News on front page, block and News page)
Any thoughts?
Thanks a lot for any help.
Afan
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This is exactly my point. 100%. I would like to use Drupal for more than basic websites but I feel "limited". Not because of Drupal, far from it. It's because, as George said "I don't get it". :-)
On 2/25/2012 7:16 PM, George Dawson wrote:
Interesting that we should have two very different experiences with the same products. Wish I could peep over your shoulder as you worked one and then the other. I find CodeIgnighter to speak a language I already know. Where as with Drupal, I am lost. I have tried on and off for two years now, 6& 7, and I just don't get it. Wish I did. To do what I want, I find I have to do endless work a-rounds and overrides. For me, it is just so much easier to write my own php, jQuery, and talk directly with my database. Wish I did get Drupal. Maybe I tried too hard.
-----Original Message-----
From: Toddtodd@savagevenus.net Sent: Feb 25, 2012 7:49 PM To: support@drupal.org Subject: Re: [support] Drupal7 or CodeIgniter fro new website?
To each his own, of course, but the time I tried CodeIgniter, I found it to be a dreadful experience - everything from the code to the support was just subpar and I've found that doing something in Drupal took half the time it would have taken me to do it in CodeIgniter.
Regards, Todd
On 25 Feb 2012, at 19:21, George Dawson wrote:
As you said, you can fix a problem in codeIgnighter in a matter of minutes. So, why do you not want to use codeIgnighter? It is not an admission of failure to use the quicker and easier to use tool. Not to mention, performance is far better.
-----Original Message-----
From: Afan Pasalicafan@afan.net Sent: Feb 25, 2012 11:39 AM To: support@drupal.org Subject: Re: [support] Drupal7 or CodeIgniter fro new website?
This is what bother me a most. To test, I installed D7 on my local machine and created content type "Place". Added image field (thumbnail), 5 text fields (Address, City, State, Zip, Phone). Added a node and got, for Address part: Address: 123 Main St. City: Drupal Town State: DS Zip: 12345 Phone:>123-456-7890
Looks ugly. I removed labels but Address label on the top and put Phone label inline. I got: Address: 123 Main St. Drupal Town DS 12345 Phone: 123-456-7890
Better, but still ugly. For a last two hours I was trying to google ho to fix this and get city, state and zip in one line - no luck.
The space between Thumbnail and Address is to small - how to make it bigger. I was google-ing too. Again no luck.
To solve this I believe simple, kind of basic, problem, I need Forum and this list, I have to wait couple hours, maybe day or two. What can I expect when it comes to something "larger"?
If I have to "correct" this in CodeIgniter, it's matter of minutes.
But, are these Drupal "baby steps" something I HAVE TO go through as a beginner, as everybody else? Or am I taking wrong approach?
I'm not trying to say or prove anything. I'm just asking you for your opinion and just trying to make decision what to use for my next website.
Sorry for being such a cry-baby :-)
On 2/24/2012 11:20 AM, Afan Pasalic wrote:
Hi, I plan to build website about Rotue 66. And. according to my flow- chart, it will be a little bit more then basic site. Basic plot: on home page you will have an image (US map, or 8 Route 66 states map) with links to select a state. Once you select a state you will have a) list of cities (places) within the state you selected in the order they appear on the Route 66 (E.g. Kansas: Galena, Riverton, Baxter Springs. The order is from Chicago, IL to Los Angeles, CA) b) Google map with needles pointed to the cities within the state To see Places, you have to select a city from the list or the map. Once a city is selected a page should show a) list of Places in the city in the order they appear on the R66 (Cicero, IL: Cindy Lyn Motel, Henry;s Drive Inn, Robin Hood Muffler Shop, Bunyon's Hot Dogs) b) Google map with needles in Places. Clicking on the Place link on the list or clicking on the needle on the map, you will get to the Place page with more info about the Place: Name (title), History (body), Thumbnail, Location (geo- coordinates), Link to Galery/Photo album, Address. City, State. Zip info, etc.
It would be great to have multi-level menu "Places" on Main Manu where first level are States, second level Cities within the State you rolled-over. And, of course, States (first level) is clickable too and will show you page with cities in selected State (List/Google map)
I have two options to do this: a) using CodeIgniter and have mach more control over it (already know how to do that but it's a lot of coding involved) b) using Drupal7. It's probably much faster and safer but how much time I need to build something like this as a newbie with limited experience building very simple websites with Drupal 6 and 7 (static pages, contact form, forum, blog, and some work using View to show News on front page, block and News page)
Any thoughts?
Thanks a lot for any help.
Afan
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