Hi to all, Actually, I'm not asking which CMS is better or something. I use Drupal for almost 6 years but, still, I would put myself to "higher beginner" level. 90% of my websites are small, simple, intro websites I built for friends and "clients". Mostly with News, Basic, Events/Calendar, Webform, Forum... content types. Pretty standard. So, my question is "When is Drupal to big for a website?" When would WP fit better? Or even when would home-made-code fit better? Where is "the line" you step over and have to use Drupal? If a small nonprofit asks you to build small website with some basic stuff, for free if possible, would you still build it on Drupal?
Thanks for any input, afan
For a one page static site, go with straight html.
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Drupal drupal@afan.net wrote:
Hi to all, Actually, I'm not asking which CMS is better or something. I use Drupal for almost 6 years but, still, I would put myself to "higher beginner" level. 90% of my websites are small, simple, intro websites I built for friends and "clients". Mostly with News, Basic, Events/Calendar, Webform, Forum... content types. Pretty standard. So, my question is "When is Drupal to big for a website?" When would WP fit better? Or even when would home-made-code fit better? Where is "the line" you step over and have to use Drupal? If a small nonprofit asks you to build small website with some basic stuff, for free if possible, would you still build it on Drupal?
Thanks for any input, afan -- [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ]
It depends. Who is going to maintain it? And is there a maintenance budget? If it's a build and walk away situation, it may not be free for them when something breaks or the organization needs a design or content update. If the budget is low to nonexistent, what is the cost of Drupal vs. WP developers? Which are easier to find? For really basic stuff is a CMS necessary?
-----Original Message----- From: support-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:support-bounces@drupal.org] On Behalf Of Drupal Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 11:33 AM To: support@drupal.org Subject: [support] Another Drupal vs WordPress question
Hi to all, Actually, I'm not asking which CMS is better or something. I use Drupal for almost 6 years but, still, I would put myself to "higher beginner" level. 90% of my websites are small, simple, intro websites I built for friends and "clients". Mostly with News, Basic, Events/Calendar, Webform, Forum... content types. Pretty standard. So, my question is "When is Drupal to big for a website?" When would WP fit better? Or even when would home-made-code fit better? Where is "the line" you step over and have to use Drupal? If a small nonprofit asks you to build small website with some basic stuff, for free if possible, would you still build it on Drupal?
Thanks for any input, afan
I’m gonna maintain the site(s) (one point, if there is dozen of the similar sites,does it make difference?), CMS, do updates... but “they” will maintain the content. Budget is low to nonexistent. There is no cost difference which CMS I’m gonna select. Some SEO work would/should be done, but not a decision making key. Is the CMS necessary? I was thinking about to code by myself but it would take more time and it’s always security issue - that’s why is community for :-)
Thanks.
On Mar 18, 2015, at 11:46 AM, Borwick, James Bryce BorwickJa@missouri.edu wrote:
It depends. Who is going to maintain it? And is there a maintenance budget? If it's a build and walk away situation, it may not be free for them when something breaks or the organization needs a design or content update. If the budget is low to nonexistent, what is the cost of Drupal vs. WP developers? Which are easier to find? For really basic stuff is a CMS necessary?
-----Original Message----- From: support-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:support-bounces@drupal.org] On Behalf Of Drupal Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 11:33 AM To: support@drupal.org Subject: [support] Another Drupal vs WordPress question
Hi to all, Actually, I'm not asking which CMS is better or something. I use Drupal for almost 6 years but, still, I would put myself to "higher beginner" level. 90% of my websites are small, simple, intro websites I built for friends and "clients". Mostly with News, Basic, Events/Calendar, Webform, Forum... content types. Pretty standard. So, my question is "When is Drupal to big for a website?" When would WP fit better? Or even when would home-made-code fit better? Where is "the line" you step over and have to use Drupal? If a small nonprofit asks you to build small website with some basic stuff, for free if possible, would you still build it on Drupal?
Thanks for any input, afan -- [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ] -- [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ]
Creating a minimal CMS could take 100 hours. I've done this. Lots of work. Plus side is if you do it correctly it will be secure and run for years without any modifications. It will lightening fast and easy to install and configure.
Downside is it takes a lot of work and advanced programming knowledge such as .htaccess and one point of entry - your root index file. And you will need to understand how to secure your code from direct access as well as sanitize any visitor input. And you will not have any free templates to work with. It will be more difficult to grow a site using a do it yourself CMS.
Security is a real problem for open source. Once a vulnerability is found all they have to do is find that app and apply the vulnerability. Grow your own CMS would not be open source so it would be more difficult to crack from this perspective.
We just saw this type of issue with Drupal about 4 months ago.
Drupal and WordPress are resource hogs. A do it yourself CMS would be minimalistic and very efficient and would run on any server.
Any way you go you will have trade offs. One must be careful to not shoot one self in the foot so to speak.
On 2015-03-18 12:12, Drupal wrote:
I’m gonna maintain the site(s) (one point, if there is dozen of the similar sites,does it make difference?), CMS, do updates... but “they” will maintain the content. Budget is low to nonexistent. There is no cost difference which CMS I’m gonna select. Some SEO work would/should be done, but not a decision making key. Is the CMS necessary? I was thinking about to code by myself but it would take more time and it’s always security issue - that’s why is community for :-)
Thanks.
On Mar 18, 2015, at 11:46 AM, Borwick, James Bryce BorwickJa@missouri.edu wrote:
It depends. Who is going to maintain it? And is there a maintenance budget? If it's a build and walk away situation, it may not be free for them when something breaks or the organization needs a design or content update. If the budget is low to nonexistent, what is the cost of Drupal vs. WP developers? Which are easier to find? For really basic stuff is a CMS necessary?
-----Original Message----- From: support-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:support-bounces@drupal.org] On Behalf Of Drupal Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 11:33 AM To: support@drupal.org Subject: [support] Another Drupal vs WordPress question
Hi to all, Actually, I'm not asking which CMS is better or something. I use Drupal for almost 6 years but, still, I would put myself to "higher beginner" level. 90% of my websites are small, simple, intro websites I built for friends and "clients". Mostly with News, Basic, Events/Calendar, Webform, Forum... content types. Pretty standard. So, my question is "When is Drupal to big for a website?" When would WP fit better? Or even when would home-made-code fit better? Where is "the line" you step over and have to use Drupal? If a small nonprofit asks you to build small website with some basic stuff, for free if possible, would you still build it on Drupal?
Thanks for any input, afan -- [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ] -- [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ]
WordPress is the most popular, but it does mean it is the best target for all sort of hackers. Also big freedom in codding means WP sometimes is very messy, content types and logic built into theme, etc. Easy for themming and very entry php required to write "someting that works". For content editing WP is very good and end user experience is great. Drupal and content editing/updating/user experience is basically still rubbish, but the rest is just excellent. You may try Joomla! 3. It is good cms and out of the box has got all you need to build website. Joomla has got quite good selection of frameworks which really speed up development. Joomla is responsive out of the box, built upon bootstrap, MVC architecture, Writing extensions may be pain in the...,but if you like learning you might even enjoy it.Personally I like Joomla and Drupal. I am still not convinced about WordPress
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Keith Smith techlists@phpcoderusa.com wrote:
Creating a minimal CMS could take 100 hours. I've done this. Lots of work. Plus side is if you do it correctly it will be secure and run for years without any modifications. It will lightening fast and easy to install and configure.
Downside is it takes a lot of work and advanced programming knowledge such as .htaccess and one point of entry - your root index file. And you will need to understand how to secure your code from direct access as well as sanitize any visitor input. And you will not have any free templates to work with. It will be more difficult to grow a site using a do it yourself CMS.
Security is a real problem for open source. Once a vulnerability is found all they have to do is find that app and apply the vulnerability. Grow your own CMS would not be open source so it would be more difficult to crack from this perspective.
We just saw this type of issue with Drupal about 4 months ago.
Drupal and WordPress are resource hogs. A do it yourself CMS would be minimalistic and very efficient and would run on any server.
Any way you go you will have trade offs. One must be careful to not shoot one self in the foot so to speak.
On 2015-03-18 12:12, Drupal wrote:
I’m gonna maintain the site(s) (one point, if there is dozen of the similar sites,does it make difference?), CMS, do updates... but “they” will maintain the content. Budget is low to nonexistent. There is no cost difference which CMS I’m gonna select. Some SEO work would/should be done, but not a decision making key. Is the CMS necessary? I was thinking about to code by myself but it would take more time and it’s always security issue - that’s why is community for :-)
Thanks.
On Mar 18, 2015, at 11:46 AM, Borwick, James Bryce BorwickJa@missouri.edu wrote:
It depends. Who is going to maintain it? And is there a maintenance budget? If it's a build and walk away situation, it may not be free for them when something breaks or the organization needs a design or content update. If the budget is low to nonexistent, what is the cost of Drupal vs. WP developers? Which are easier to find? For really basic stuff is a CMS necessary?
-----Original Message----- From: support-bounces@drupal.org [mailto:support-bounces@drupal.org] On Behalf Of Drupal Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2015 11:33 AM To: support@drupal.org Subject: [support] Another Drupal vs WordPress question
Hi to all, Actually, I'm not asking which CMS is better or something. I use Drupal for almost 6 years but, still, I would put myself to "higher beginner" level. 90% of my websites are small, simple, intro websites I built for friends and "clients". Mostly with News, Basic, Events/Calendar, Webform, Forum... content types. Pretty standard. So, my question is "When is Drupal to big for a website?" When would WP fit better? Or even when would home-made-code fit better? Where is "the line" you step over and have to use Drupal? If a small nonprofit asks you to build small website with some basic stuff, for free if possible, would you still build it on Drupal?
Thanks for any input, afan -- [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ] -- [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ]
-- Keith Smith -- [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ]
For a small, fixed, brochure site I'd go with html. For a low budget blog site with no shopping cart, WP. For an easy to maintain mom & pop shop CMS, I would recommend joomla though I haven't used it in a while.
For a site with a secure shopping cart, multiple authors and editors, or more complex setup then I'd recommend Drupal.
I also think that Drupal is probably the most secure of all the different platforms. I've been porting a customer from Drupal to WP (because WP is easier to maintain donchya know) and I've been kind of horrified at the WP code.
On 3/18/2015 12:33 PM, Drupal wrote:
Hi to all, Actually, I'm not asking which CMS is better or something. I use Drupal for almost 6 years but, still, I would put myself to "higher beginner" level. 90% of my websites are small, simple, intro websites I built for friends and "clients". Mostly with News, Basic, Events/Calendar, Webform, Forum... content types. Pretty standard. So, my question is "When is Drupal to big for a website?" When would WP fit better? Or even when would home-made-code fit better? Where is "the line" you step over and have to use Drupal? If a small nonprofit asks you to build small website with some basic stuff, for free if possible, would you still build it on Drupal?
Thanks for any input, afan
This thread is getting out of hand.
Use what you are most comfortable with, or what your client is most comfortable with. Usability is mostly familiarity, and this extends to maintenance + development times for developers. If you have a lot of experience with drupal but none with wordpress, it will almost always be more efficient (both in terms of speed and best practice) to build with drupal. This is also vice versa.
There are very few concrete reasons why to choose one CMS over another as it all tends to be dogma based. Almost all of them sport similar features. At the end of the day all that matters is the opinions of your stakeholders. Exceptions to this are few and far between as all major CMS have enterprise level services available.
So basically, use what feels right!
Cheers, Patrick
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Don donald@fane.com wrote:
For a small, fixed, brochure site I'd go with html. For a low budget blog site with no shopping cart, WP. For an easy to maintain mom & pop shop CMS, I would recommend joomla though I haven't used it in a while.
For a site with a secure shopping cart, multiple authors and editors, or more complex setup then I'd recommend Drupal.
I also think that Drupal is probably the most secure of all the different platforms. I've been porting a customer from Drupal to WP (because WP is easier to maintain donchya know) and I've been kind of horrified at the WP code.
On 3/18/2015 12:33 PM, Drupal wrote:
Hi to all, Actually, I'm not asking which CMS is better or something. I use Drupal for almost 6 years but, still, I would put myself to "higher beginner" level. 90% of my websites are small, simple, intro websites I built for friends and "clients". Mostly with News, Basic, Events/Calendar, Webform, Forum... content types. Pretty standard. So, my question is "When is Drupal to big for a website?" When would WP fit better? Or even when would home-made-code fit better? Where is "the line" you step over and have to use Drupal? If a small nonprofit asks you to build small website with some basic stuff, for free if possible, would you still build it on Drupal?
Thanks for any input, afan
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-- -Don Pickerel- Fane Software
-- [ Drupal support list | http://lists.drupal.org/ ]
Low to no budget websites (small nonprofits); no shopping carts but eventually PayPal Donation button; one editor role (small chance for 2-3 different editor roles) to maintain the content;
Also, just realized: theming factor is kinda important too, easy to build custom theme. Somewhere I read that WP has hundred times more free themes than Drupal so there is bigger chance to select one and use it out of box while with Drupal there is more chance to need some custom work.
On Mar 18, 2015, at 12:04 PM, Don donald@fane.com wrote:
For a small, fixed, brochure site I'd go with html. For a low budget blog site with no shopping cart, WP. For an easy to maintain mom & pop shop CMS, I would recommend joomla though I haven't used it in a while.
For a site with a secure shopping cart, multiple authors and editors, or more complex setup then I'd recommend Drupal.
I also think that Drupal is probably the most secure of all the different platforms. I've been porting a customer from Drupal to WP (because WP is easier to maintain donchya know) and I've been kind of horrified at the WP code.
On 3/18/2015 12:33 PM, Drupal wrote:
Hi to all, Actually, I'm not asking which CMS is better or something. I use Drupal for almost 6 years but, still, I would put myself to "higher beginner" level. 90% of my websites are small, simple, intro websites I built for friends and "clients". Mostly with News, Basic, Events/Calendar, Webform, Forum... content types. Pretty standard. So, my question is "When is Drupal to big for a website?" When would WP fit better? Or even when would home-made-code fit better? Where is "the line" you step over and have to use Drupal? If a small nonprofit asks you to build small website with some basic stuff, for free if possible, would you still build it on Drupal?
Thanks for any input, afan
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-- -Don Pickerel- Fane Software <Fane-th.png>
Question is "When is Drupal to big for a website?" When would WP fit better? Or even when would home-made-code fit better?
WP when you need something real simple. - Custom content types are not needed. - Custom views are not needed. - Shopping cart is not needed. - All you really need is a single post type with title, body, image, and category. (Custom ones can be done through the theme, but must know WP theming system and php)
WP is easy to set up and easy to teach to other people. Problem come in when you need more info about the plugins. Finding documentation on the plugins is a nightmare. A lot of the time the features that are promised in the description are only available when you purchase the "pro" version of the plugin.
If it is a real simple site, with very little content change, a few hand coded html pages would be the simplest way to go.
On Mar 18, 2015, at 12:33 PM, Drupal drupal@afan.net wrote:
question is "When is Drupal to big for a website?" When would WP fit better? Or even when would home-made-code fit better?
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