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[drupal-devel] [feature] Enable multiple block regions (not just "left" and "right" sidebars)
by syscrusher 17 Apr '05

17 Apr '05

Issue status update for http://drupal.org/node/16216 Project: Drupal Version: cvs Component: block.module Category: feature requests Priority: normal Assigned to: Anonymous Reported by: paragkenia Updated by: syscrusher Status: patch s/them_regions/theme_regions/g syscrusher Previous comments: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ January 26, 2005 - 05:27 : paragkenia I read the comparision discussion between *Drupal* and *Mambo*. In several messages it was outlined that Drupal can place blocks only in right and left and not flexible to put them on anywhere where one want. It will be great if this can be changed in upcoming versions. I am no pro at PHP, so don't know how much time this task will take, but I think it is very important. parag ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 14, 2005 - 20:44 : nedjo This issue was apparently partially addressed in issue http://drupal.org/node/19694 [1]. [1] http://drupal.org/node/19694 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 16, 2005 - 19:24 : nedjo Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/block-dynamic-regions.patch (8.17 KB) This much-requested functionality - to have the ability to place blocks in more than the two predefined regions - was partially addressed in issue http://drupal.org/node/19694. [2]. But "blocks" are still limited to the "left" and "right" sidebars (hard-coded in block.module). This patch is a first step designed to enable multiple (eventually, admin-definable) regions for blocks. I've moved the existing "left" and "right" block regions to a 'region' table (with ids of 0 and 1, as currently used in themes). Then all references to the regions are drawn dynamically from the table. This way, if further records are added, they will appear in the list of available regions for block placement. Doing this actually reduces some duplicated code, since it's no longer necessary to repeat code blocks for each of "left" and "right". As it stands, the patch doesn't add any new functionality--but I don't think it breaks anything either. New functionality would need (a) new regions defined, and (b) changes to themes. A simple first step might be, e.g., to add a "footer" region and then add a call in the footer generation to append any blocks assigned to the footer region there. I'm setting this to patch, but I'm aware that it needs some discussion and refining before it'll be ready to apply. [2] http://drupal.org/node/19694. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 16, 2005 - 20:05 : nedjo Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/block_regions.png (5.65 KB) Here's a screenshot showing the block admin page, with drop-downs for region placement (the options are dynamically generated based on defined regions). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 16, 2005 - 21:57 : adrian The biggest problem with this is that you can have multiple themes, and each of these themes can have different regions available. Also, the method of defining which regions are available needs to be standardised. Some of the work that me and Vlado are working on for the install system would go towards solving that problem (ie: meta information for modules, themes and styles). This has been discussed to death, but the general consensus has been that we _want_ to do this, but we need to solve a few other problems properly first, the most pertinent being the interface issue. Chris (factoryjoe) recently did a whole mess of workflows for something related to this. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 16, 2005 - 23:09 : syscrusher The first paragraph of adrian [3]'s post is a point that occurred to me also, as I read this thread. One suggestion would be to separate the definition and configuration of blocks, on one hand, from the placement of those blocks, on the other hand. In other words, Drupal core provides a mechanism defining what blocks exist, which of these are on by default or off by default and user-selectable vs. which are forced on for all users, and the configuration (if applicable) of specialized blocks defined by particular modules. Each theme provides a standard hook function that returns an array of region names and help/description text, e.g., array('left'=>t('This vertical region is left of the main content area'), 'right'=>t('This vertical region is right of the main content area'), 'footer'=>t('The footer is below the left, right, and main content areas of the page')). The theme part of Drupal core (i.e., theme.module itself, not the individual themes) provides a standard UI that is displayed within config of *each theme* (but is one physical code base within theme.module) that allows the administrator to map blocks defined by Drupal core into regions defined by the theme, and storing that mapping as an theme-to-block_ID-to-region_ID (with weight) table in the database. From there, the actual page rendering is similar to what's being done now, but there is more of it. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the key to solving this problem is breaking it along its degrees of orthogonality, and there are three -- two in Drupal core and one in the individual theme. Scott [3] http://drupal.org//user/1517 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 17, 2005 - 02:14 : Dries Scott, is right. The theme should export its available regions. Then the administrator's task is to assign blocks to regions (not to setup regions). A theme could have configurable regions, but that internal to the theme. To me, the real challenge is the UI and the interaction design. Configuring blocks could easily become a real pain (while most themes continue to use 'left' and 'right'.) Of course, we can implement all the functionality, default everything to 'left' and 'right', and worry about the UI later. This should be fairly straightforward to implement and nedjo's patch looks like a first step in the right direction. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 17, 2005 - 16:09 : nedjo I agree with the suggested approach of themes registering their regions. I'd see this happening when a particular theme is activiated (or upgraded). Regions would be an array of names (e.g., 'left', 'right', 'footer'). New records would be created in the region table only for region names not previously registered. Some areas I'm not clear on, or that need further work: Table naming Should a new table be 'region' or 'regions' (I've used 'region')? I don't see a convention among existing table names, some of which are singular and others plural. Default values I've kept the existing '0' and '1' ids for regions (left and right, respectively), for backward compatibility. But this means we can't use autoincrement for the region id (rid), since autoincrements seem to begin with 1. Likely we should change to autogenerated ids. Initial records Using the INSERT INTO statements as I've done for the initial region entries is probably counterproductive, since sooner or later they'll have to be dynamically generated. I was hoping this could be a preliminary patch, with the main work coming later, but likely we need to solve region registration by themes before this patch is applied. I don't have a good idea of how region registration by themes would be implemented (a hook on theme activation?), and invite suggestions or implementations. Theme system changes Besides region registration, the other change I'm seeing that would be needed in the theme system is loading blocks by region name, rather than region id. This is because the ids currently used ('0' and '1') in theory might be diffferent on a particular install. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 17, 2005 - 16:18 : syscrusher Instead of having themes "register" their regions, why not just add a theme API hook called them_regions() that returns an associative array of $region_name=>t($region_helptext)? This would be in keeping with other similar API functions, such as those that return what permissions apply to a module or what node types are defined by a module. Most themes are going to define only a small number of regions (two being the typical case now, but I could see five or six in a complex theme), so returning a constant array will be faster than querying SQL to obtain an array of rows. There could be (optionally, at the discretion of whoever builds this thing) another API hook like theme_region_properties($region_name) that returns an associative array with detailed info for a given region, such as extended help text with recommended usage instructions for the region. Scott

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[drupal-devel] [feature] Enable multiple block regions (not just "left" and "right" sidebars)
by syscrusher 17 Apr '05

17 Apr '05

Issue status update for http://drupal.org/node/16216 Project: Drupal Version: cvs Component: block.module Category: feature requests Priority: normal Assigned to: Anonymous Reported by: paragkenia Updated by: syscrusher Status: patch Instead of having themes "register" their regions, why not just add a theme API hook called them_regions() that returns an associative array of $region_name=>t($region_helptext)? This would be in keeping with other similar API functions, such as those that return what permissions apply to a module or what node types are defined by a module. Most themes are going to define only a small number of regions (two being the typical case now, but I could see five or six in a complex theme), so returning a constant array will be faster than querying SQL to obtain an array of rows. There could be (optionally, at the discretion of whoever builds this thing) another API hook like theme_region_properties($region_name) that returns an associative array with detailed info for a given region, such as extended help text with recommended usage instructions for the region. Scott syscrusher Previous comments: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ January 26, 2005 - 05:27 : paragkenia I read the comparision discussion between *Drupal* and *Mambo*. In several messages it was outlined that Drupal can place blocks only in right and left and not flexible to put them on anywhere where one want. It will be great if this can be changed in upcoming versions. I am no pro at PHP, so don't know how much time this task will take, but I think it is very important. parag ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 14, 2005 - 20:44 : nedjo This issue was apparently partially addressed in issue http://drupal.org/node/19694 [1]. [1] http://drupal.org/node/19694 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 16, 2005 - 19:24 : nedjo Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/block-dynamic-regions.patch (8.17 KB) This much-requested functionality - to have the ability to place blocks in more than the two predefined regions - was partially addressed in issue http://drupal.org/node/19694. [2]. But "blocks" are still limited to the "left" and "right" sidebars (hard-coded in block.module). This patch is a first step designed to enable multiple (eventually, admin-definable) regions for blocks. I've moved the existing "left" and "right" block regions to a 'region' table (with ids of 0 and 1, as currently used in themes). Then all references to the regions are drawn dynamically from the table. This way, if further records are added, they will appear in the list of available regions for block placement. Doing this actually reduces some duplicated code, since it's no longer necessary to repeat code blocks for each of "left" and "right". As it stands, the patch doesn't add any new functionality--but I don't think it breaks anything either. New functionality would need (a) new regions defined, and (b) changes to themes. A simple first step might be, e.g., to add a "footer" region and then add a call in the footer generation to append any blocks assigned to the footer region there. I'm setting this to patch, but I'm aware that it needs some discussion and refining before it'll be ready to apply. [2] http://drupal.org/node/19694. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 16, 2005 - 20:05 : nedjo Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/block_regions.png (5.65 KB) Here's a screenshot showing the block admin page, with drop-downs for region placement (the options are dynamically generated based on defined regions). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 16, 2005 - 21:57 : adrian The biggest problem with this is that you can have multiple themes, and each of these themes can have different regions available. Also, the method of defining which regions are available needs to be standardised. Some of the work that me and Vlado are working on for the install system would go towards solving that problem (ie: meta information for modules, themes and styles). This has been discussed to death, but the general consensus has been that we _want_ to do this, but we need to solve a few other problems properly first, the most pertinent being the interface issue. Chris (factoryjoe) recently did a whole mess of workflows for something related to this. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 16, 2005 - 23:09 : syscrusher The first paragraph of adrian [3]'s post is a point that occurred to me also, as I read this thread. One suggestion would be to separate the definition and configuration of blocks, on one hand, from the placement of those blocks, on the other hand. In other words, Drupal core provides a mechanism defining what blocks exist, which of these are on by default or off by default and user-selectable vs. which are forced on for all users, and the configuration (if applicable) of specialized blocks defined by particular modules. Each theme provides a standard hook function that returns an array of region names and help/description text, e.g., array('left'=>t('This vertical region is left of the main content area'), 'right'=>t('This vertical region is right of the main content area'), 'footer'=>t('The footer is below the left, right, and main content areas of the page')). The theme part of Drupal core (i.e., theme.module itself, not the individual themes) provides a standard UI that is displayed within config of *each theme* (but is one physical code base within theme.module) that allows the administrator to map blocks defined by Drupal core into regions defined by the theme, and storing that mapping as an theme-to-block_ID-to-region_ID (with weight) table in the database. From there, the actual page rendering is similar to what's being done now, but there is more of it. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the key to solving this problem is breaking it along its degrees of orthogonality, and there are three -- two in Drupal core and one in the individual theme. Scott [3] http://drupal.org//user/1517 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 17, 2005 - 02:14 : Dries Scott, is right. The theme should export its available regions. Then the administrator's task is to assign blocks to regions (not to setup regions). A theme could have configurable regions, but that internal to the theme. To me, the real challenge is the UI and the interaction design. Configuring blocks could easily become a real pain (while most themes continue to use 'left' and 'right'.) Of course, we can implement all the functionality, default everything to 'left' and 'right', and worry about the UI later. This should be fairly straightforward to implement and nedjo's patch looks like a first step in the right direction. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 17, 2005 - 16:09 : nedjo I agree with the suggested approach of themes registering their regions. I'd see this happening when a particular theme is activiated (or upgraded). Regions would be an array of names (e.g., 'left', 'right', 'footer'). New records would be created in the region table only for region names not previously registered. Some areas I'm not clear on, or that need further work: Table naming Should a new table be 'region' or 'regions' (I've used 'region')? I don't see a convention among existing table names, some of which are singular and others plural. Default values I've kept the existing '0' and '1' ids for regions (left and right, respectively), for backward compatibility. But this means we can't use autoincrement for the region id (rid), since autoincrements seem to begin with 1. Likely we should change to autogenerated ids. Initial records Using the INSERT INTO statements as I've done for the initial region entries is probably counterproductive, since sooner or later they'll have to be dynamically generated. I was hoping this could be a preliminary patch, with the main work coming later, but likely we need to solve region registration by themes before this patch is applied. I don't have a good idea of how region registration by themes would be implemented (a hook on theme activation?), and invite suggestions or implementations. Theme system changes Besides region registration, the other change I'm seeing that would be needed in the theme system is loading blocks by region name, rather than region id. This is because the ids currently used ('0' and '1') in theory might be diffferent on a particular install.

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[drupal-devel] [feature] Enable multiple block regions (not just "left" and "right" sidebars)
by nedjo 17 Apr '05

17 Apr '05

Issue status update for http://drupal.org/node/16216 Project: Drupal Version: cvs Component: block.module Category: feature requests Priority: normal Assigned to: Anonymous Reported by: paragkenia Updated by: nedjo Status: patch I agree with the suggested approach of themes registering their regions. I'd see this happening when a particular theme is activiated (or upgraded). Regions would be an array of names (e.g., 'left', 'right', 'footer'). New records would be created in the region table only for region names not previously registered. Some areas I'm not clear on, or that need further work: Table naming Should a new table be 'region' or 'regions' (I've used 'region')? I don't see a convention among existing table names, some of which are singular and others plural. Default values I've kept the existing '0' and '1' ids for regions (left and right, respectively), for backward compatibility. But this means we can't use autoincrement for the region id (rid), since autoincrements seem to begin with 1. Likely we should change to autogenerated ids. Initial records Using the INSERT INTO statements as I've done for the initial region entries is probably counterproductive, since sooner or later they'll have to be dynamically generated. I was hoping this could be a preliminary patch, with the main work coming later, but likely we need to solve region registration by themes before this patch is applied. I don't have a good idea of how region registration by themes would be implemented (a hook on theme activation?), and invite suggestions or implementations. Theme system changes Besides region registration, the other change I'm seeing that would be needed in the theme system is loading blocks by region name, rather than region id. This is because the ids currently used ('0' and '1') in theory might be diffferent on a particular install. nedjo Previous comments: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ January 26, 2005 - 06:27 : paragkenia I read the comparision discussion between *Drupal* and *Mambo*. In several messages it was outlined that Drupal can place blocks only in right and left and not flexible to put them on anywhere where one want. It will be great if this can be changed in upcoming versions. I am no pro at PHP, so don't know how much time this task will take, but I think it is very important. parag ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 14, 2005 - 21:44 : nedjo This issue was apparently partially addressed in issue http://drupal.org/node/19694 [1]. [1] http://drupal.org/node/19694 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 16, 2005 - 20:24 : nedjo Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/block-dynamic-regions.patch (8.17 KB) This much-requested functionality - to have the ability to place blocks in more than the two predefined regions - was partially addressed in issue http://drupal.org/node/19694. [2]. But "blocks" are still limited to the "left" and "right" sidebars (hard-coded in block.module). This patch is a first step designed to enable multiple (eventually, admin-definable) regions for blocks. I've moved the existing "left" and "right" block regions to a 'region' table (with ids of 0 and 1, as currently used in themes). Then all references to the regions are drawn dynamically from the table. This way, if further records are added, they will appear in the list of available regions for block placement. Doing this actually reduces some duplicated code, since it's no longer necessary to repeat code blocks for each of "left" and "right". As it stands, the patch doesn't add any new functionality--but I don't think it breaks anything either. New functionality would need (a) new regions defined, and (b) changes to themes. A simple first step might be, e.g., to add a "footer" region and then add a call in the footer generation to append any blocks assigned to the footer region there. I'm setting this to patch, but I'm aware that it needs some discussion and refining before it'll be ready to apply. [2] http://drupal.org/node/19694. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 16, 2005 - 21:05 : nedjo Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/block_regions.png (5.65 KB) Here's a screenshot showing the block admin page, with drop-downs for region placement (the options are dynamically generated based on defined regions). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 16, 2005 - 22:57 : adrian The biggest problem with this is that you can have multiple themes, and each of these themes can have different regions available. Also, the method of defining which regions are available needs to be standardised. Some of the work that me and Vlado are working on for the install system would go towards solving that problem (ie: meta information for modules, themes and styles). This has been discussed to death, but the general consensus has been that we _want_ to do this, but we need to solve a few other problems properly first, the most pertinent being the interface issue. Chris (factoryjoe) recently did a whole mess of workflows for something related to this. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 17, 2005 - 00:09 : syscrusher The first paragraph of adrian [3]'s post is a point that occurred to me also, as I read this thread. One suggestion would be to separate the definition and configuration of blocks, on one hand, from the placement of those blocks, on the other hand. In other words, Drupal core provides a mechanism defining what blocks exist, which of these are on by default or off by default and user-selectable vs. which are forced on for all users, and the configuration (if applicable) of specialized blocks defined by particular modules. Each theme provides a standard hook function that returns an array of region names and help/description text, e.g., array('left'=>t('This vertical region is left of the main content area'), 'right'=>t('This vertical region is right of the main content area'), 'footer'=>t('The footer is below the left, right, and main content areas of the page')). The theme part of Drupal core (i.e., theme.module itself, not the individual themes) provides a standard UI that is displayed within config of *each theme* (but is one physical code base within theme.module) that allows the administrator to map blocks defined by Drupal core into regions defined by the theme, and storing that mapping as an theme-to-block_ID-to-region_ID (with weight) table in the database. From there, the actual page rendering is similar to what's being done now, but there is more of it. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the key to solving this problem is breaking it along its degrees of orthogonality, and there are three -- two in Drupal core and one in the individual theme. Scott [3] http://drupal.org//user/1517 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 17, 2005 - 03:14 : Dries Scott, is right. The theme should export its available regions. Then the administrator's task is to assign blocks to regions (not to setup regions). A theme could have configurable regions, but that internal to the theme. To me, the real challenge is the UI and the interaction design. Configuring blocks could easily become a real pain (while most themes continue to use 'left' and 'right'.) Of course, we can implement all the functionality, default everything to 'left' and 'right', and worry about the UI later. This should be fairly straightforward to implement and nedjo's patch looks like a first step in the right direction.

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[drupal-devel] [feature] New block to show info on page author
by nedjo 17 Apr '05

17 Apr '05

Issue status update for http://drupal.org/node/20115 Project: Drupal Version: cvs Component: user.module Category: feature requests Priority: normal Assigned to: Anonymous Reported by: nedjo Updated by: nedjo Status: patch Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/user_content_author_block.patch (2.62 KB) It would be nice to have a quick way to display information about page author/posters. The attached patch creates a new 'Author info' block for the user module, which (if enabled) displays only when a node is being viewed, showing the user name (as block title), picture, signature, a list of up to four recent posts (plus 'more' link, if tracker module is enabled, and user has posted more than four times) and link to contact author (if contact module is enabled and user is set to accept contacts). The general idea: get a feel for the author at a glance, without having to load the full user page. nedjo

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[drupal-devel] [bug] Editing user does not clear user's menu cache
by jhriggs 17 Apr '05

17 Apr '05

Issue status update for http://drupal.org/node/20690 Project: Drupal Version: 4.6.0 Component: user.module Category: bug reports Priority: critical Assigned to: Anonymous Reported by: jhriggs Updated by: jhriggs Status: patch Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/user_edit_cache.patch (675 bytes) When editing a user, the user's menu cache is not cleared properly. Specifically, this is a problem if the user's roles are changed, as the user's menus are not updated to reflect the new permissions. Simple 6-character patch attached. jhriggs

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[drupal-devel] Upgrading from 4.5 to 4.6
by K B 17 Apr '05

17 Apr '05

I wrote a short blurb on steps I took to upgrade my test machine from 4.5 to 4.6 here: http://drupal.org/node/20650 Only one minor core issue so far (Duplicate block titles not allowed). Some issues with contributed modules, e.g. banner, htmlarea. Comments/additions/corrections welcome.

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[drupal-devel] [feature] Enable multiple block regions (not just "left" and "right" sidebars)
by Dries 17 Apr '05

17 Apr '05

Issue status update for http://drupal.org/node/16216 Project: Drupal Version: cvs Component: block.module Category: feature requests Priority: normal Assigned to: Anonymous Reported by: paragkenia Updated by: Dries Status: patch Scott, is right. The theme should export its available regions. Then the administrator's task is to assign blocks to regions (not to setup regions). A theme could have configurable regions, but that internal to the theme. To me, the real challenge is the UI and the interaction design. Configuring blocks could easily become a real pain (while most themes continue to use 'left' and 'right'.) Of course, we can implement all the functionality, default everything to 'left' and 'right', and worry about the UI later. This should be fairly straightforward to implement and nedjo's patch looks like a first step in the right direction. Dries Previous comments: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ January 26, 2005 - 12:27 : paragkenia I read the comparision discussion between *Drupal* and *Mambo*. In several messages it was outlined that Drupal can place blocks only in right and left and not flexible to put them on anywhere where one want. It will be great if this can be changed in upcoming versions. I am no pro at PHP, so don't know how much time this task will take, but I think it is very important. parag ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 15, 2005 - 03:44 : nedjo This issue was apparently partially addressed in issue http://drupal.org/node/19694 [1]. [1] http://drupal.org/node/19694 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 17, 2005 - 02:24 : nedjo Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/block-dynamic-regions.patch (8.17 KB) This much-requested functionality - to have the ability to place blocks in more than the two predefined regions - was partially addressed in issue http://drupal.org/node/19694. [2]. But "blocks" are still limited to the "left" and "right" sidebars (hard-coded in block.module). This patch is a first step designed to enable multiple (eventually, admin-definable) regions for blocks. I've moved the existing "left" and "right" block regions to a 'region' table (with ids of 0 and 1, as currently used in themes). Then all references to the regions are drawn dynamically from the table. This way, if further records are added, they will appear in the list of available regions for block placement. Doing this actually reduces some duplicated code, since it's no longer necessary to repeat code blocks for each of "left" and "right". As it stands, the patch doesn't add any new functionality--but I don't think it breaks anything either. New functionality would need (a) new regions defined, and (b) changes to themes. A simple first step might be, e.g., to add a "footer" region and then add a call in the footer generation to append any blocks assigned to the footer region there. I'm setting this to patch, but I'm aware that it needs some discussion and refining before it'll be ready to apply. [2] http://drupal.org/node/19694. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 17, 2005 - 03:05 : nedjo Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/block_regions.png (5.65 KB) Here's a screenshot showing the block admin page, with drop-downs for region placement (the options are dynamically generated based on defined regions). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 17, 2005 - 04:57 : adrian The biggest problem with this is that you can have multiple themes, and each of these themes can have different regions available. Also, the method of defining which regions are available needs to be standardised. Some of the work that me and Vlado are working on for the install system would go towards solving that problem (ie: meta information for modules, themes and styles). This has been discussed to death, but the general consensus has been that we _want_ to do this, but we need to solve a few other problems properly first, the most pertinent being the interface issue. Chris (factoryjoe) recently did a whole mess of workflows for something related to this. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 17, 2005 - 06:09 : syscrusher The first paragraph of adrian [3]'s post is a point that occurred to me also, as I read this thread. One suggestion would be to separate the definition and configuration of blocks, on one hand, from the placement of those blocks, on the other hand. In other words, Drupal core provides a mechanism defining what blocks exist, which of these are on by default or off by default and user-selectable vs. which are forced on for all users, and the configuration (if applicable) of specialized blocks defined by particular modules. Each theme provides a standard hook function that returns an array of region names and help/description text, e.g., array('left'=>t('This vertical region is left of the main content area'), 'right'=>t('This vertical region is right of the main content area'), 'footer'=>t('The footer is below the left, right, and main content areas of the page')). The theme part of Drupal core (i.e., theme.module itself, not the individual themes) provides a standard UI that is displayed within config of *each theme* (but is one physical code base within theme.module) that allows the administrator to map blocks defined by Drupal core into regions defined by the theme, and storing that mapping as an theme-to-block_ID-to-region_ID (with weight) table in the database. From there, the actual page rendering is similar to what's being done now, but there is more of it. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the key to solving this problem is breaking it along its degrees of orthogonality, and there are three -- two in Drupal core and one in the individual theme. Scott [3] http://drupal.org//user/1517

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[drupal-devel] [bug] Request New Password Security
by bloggator 17 Apr '05

17 Apr '05

Issue status update for http://drupal.org/node/18719 Project: Drupal Version: cvs Component: user.module Category: bug reports Priority: critical Assigned to: Anonymous Reported by: neofactor Updated by: bloggator Status: patch /bloggator, this is not a patch for 4.5 !!! Thanks, Jose. I'm still getting used to how everything works around here. Best regards, Jeff bloggator Previous comments: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ March 10, 2005 - 18:52 : neofactor Problem: Any user can force another user's password to change... simply by selecting "request new password" and putting in their username. The user gets an email with the new.. but this feels like a violation to the user... and a pain. Solution? If someone requests a new password... Don't blindly change it... send an email that says...."Is this a real request authorized by you? Click here to confirm otherwise disregard this message" Please consider this critical for user by-in to Drupal as a secure system. I appreciate your consideration. http://drupal.org/node/18689 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ March 10, 2005 - 20:05 : neofactor I added some code to prevent the admin account from being reset... Please add as a patch. if ($account->uid == 1 { unset($account); form_set_error('name', t('Sorry. The username %name is not allowed to be changed.', array('%name' => '<em>'. $edit['name'] .'</em>'))); } // Just above this code on line 911: if ($account) { $from = variable_get('site_mail', ini_get('sendmail_from')); $pass = user_password(); ------------------------------------------------------------------------ March 10, 2005 - 20:08 : killes(a)www.drop.org Please only set to "patch" if you are actually submitting one. The solution you proposed is rather a workaround and will not be acceptable for core. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ March 11, 2005 - 00:21 : Deno I was in charge of a web site with >10000 paying customers for some time, and the "customers care" was constantly troubled with pasword change requests, until we switched to a system that worked in the following way: 1) "I forgot the password" function accepts either users email, or users login name, generates a random phrase, and adds an entry to "pasword_change_request" table. This entry consists of: - User ID (corresponding to email or login) - random phrase - datestamp User ID is unique key, and the entries in this table older than MAX_TIME are regularly purged by a cron job. 2) System sends an email with a link to "change forgotten password" page with this random phrase as argument to the user. That would be something like: https://drupal.org/user/cfp/d438rwiuodw894732ehdw 3) When user follows the link, "cfp" page checks if the random phrase exists in the table, allows the user to immediately change the password, and sends another email with "your password was changed on RIGHT_NOW ... " note to the user in question. - Password change automatically triggers deleting of the corresponding entry in pasword_change_request table. - Password change automatically logs-in the user as well. This way, users weren't bothered by accidental password changes, and they also understood the system better than the one with automatically generated passwords. For additional security, we also built some brakes that assured that the number of attempts to change the password, such as: - "An email with instructions was sent to you X minutes ago. In case you don't receive it within N hours, please contact the site administrator" - "According to our logs, you have visited the CFP page more than NMAX times within last 24 hours. For security reasons, you will be denied access to this page for the next 24 hours. Please contact the site administrator." hope this helps... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ March 30, 2005 - 12:01 : Jose A Reyero Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/user_one_time_login.patch (6.52 KB) This patch for -cvs- addresses this issue. It generates an *only one use* URL to login into user account, instead of a new password. Then the user clicks on the URL, logs in, and may change his old password if desired. It is a only one use URL, and has some additional security measures, like a configurable time-out -can be confgured in admin/user/settings- and also, if somebody uses it or password is changed in the meanwhile, previously generated login URLs of this type won't work. About how it works, it creates a new url with: - user id, - timestamp - a hash of current timestamp, changed date for account, and the old password hashed With this patch, this wont work for admin accounts, which I think is better, you never know... It has a number of features like: - User can be ignoring these emails if somebody else is requesting access, a new password request wont change current password. However, the user will be warned when seeing the emails - It reveals no sensible information about the user account in the URL itself - the generated hash is not predictable at all if you dont know the old password, as it depends on user's old password - there's a configurable timeout - The URL's are only one use, as they depend on two timestamps, one of which will be changing in case this login is used -or in case user logs in for other means - Any 'new password' request is independent of others, so no one can be interfering with one user asking for his password back. Also doesn't require any new db field nor keeping track of requested passwords. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ March 30, 2005 - 12:41 : chx Very nice patch. Please consider for 4.6. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ March 30, 2005 - 14:16 : drumm Couldn't those nested if statements be made into one with a bit cleaner indentation? It looks like the page which the user arrives at after getting the new login information is their user page, not a page to set the password. The "Time out for password recovery e-mail" configuration is very unfriendly. It should be a drop down select of the most used human readable durations. Or we could just decide on one timeout and leave that hard coded in; who actually needs to use that setting? The url is quite long, what could be done to make it shorter? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ March 30, 2005 - 15:50 : Jose A Reyero /Couldn't those nested if statements be made into one with a bit cleaner indentation?/ Maybe, but I had to split that if conditions in two parts because the $account var didn't get the value before the rest of the conditions -latest two- where evaluated. Someone can help with PHP here? /It looks like the page which the user arrives at after getting the new login information is their user page, not a page to set the password. The "Time out for password recovery e-mail" configuration is very unfriendly. It should be a drop down select of the most used human readable durations. Or we could just decide on one timeout and leave that hard coded in; who actually needs to use that setting?/ Agreed, will be polishing this a little bit, just wating for some more suggestions... For the duration, I'll change to 'hours', ok? Just don't like to restrict options using unneccessary dropdowns, it's only intended for administrators anyway. Maybe I add also a '0' for unlimited. Hardcoding it, would need anyway to be mentioned in the module help, so it's about the same overhead, both for coding and for the admin interface, and harcoding in two places in code is not good anyway. And I like having options, am I the only one? / The url is quite long, what could be done to make it shorter?/ Well, the url has to be long, it has neccessary params and an MD5 hash, which yes, could be cut someway, but that adding inneccessary code and also reducing security -though half an MD5 hash may be secure enough- but I see no point in that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ March 30, 2005 - 17:18 : FactoryJoe(a)civicspacelabs.org "Or we could just decide on one timeout and leave that hard coded in; who actually needs to use that setting? " +1 for making this *not* configurable! C'mon, Drupal should have standards about security -- and if best practices say that, say, 8 hours, is a good amount of time for that URL to be active, then do that. Cut out the confusion and extra brain juice it takes to decide... "Gee, is 4 hours better than 5?" Additionally, there's a simple way to make this workflow better for the user. If you visit an outdated change password URL, you should be told, "Sorry, but that link you followed to change your password has expired. If you would like to reset your password, please fill out this form: [form] If you did not request to change your password, please notify [administrator's name w/ PM link]". This way, if you missed your change password deadline, you can request your password again right from the timeout page. If you didn't request the change, it will be obvious that someone else was trying to change it, and then you can contact the administrator and find out who it was that was messin' with your account. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ March 30, 2005 - 21:55 : chx Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/user_one_time_login_0.patch (4.72 KB) I cleaned up the patch a bit. I hope code style is OK. So may -- there are no checks against the arguments? There is no need. user_load uses %d for 'uid', so that's dealt with. Comparison by < and > means an implicit cast to integer, so $timestamp is also dealt with automatically. I do not think timeout needs to be configured. Please comment on not letting uid 1 using this one. I am not sure whether this is necessary. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ March 30, 2005 - 22:12 : chx Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/user_one_time_login_1.patch (6.21 KB) Implemented Chris' idea, so if you use a one time URl which is expired, you are sent to user/password with a message to ask for another. I changed a few messages and deleted the "not for admin" feature. Do we really want one gazillion support requests "I locked myself out of my site, user/password tells me not for admin, what now"? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ March 30, 2005 - 23:24 : chx One more point on uid 1. Yes, uid 1 can reset his pwd over the database. But then we would need to lock out administer users privileged users. Then administer nodes, 'cos of XSS. Then administer comments... then administer filters... OK, this is pointless. If someone can eavesdrop on your emails, everything is lost, I think. This is not something Drupal shall address. Maybe we could employ a security question -- secret answer pair. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ March 31, 2005 - 02:52 : Bèr Kessels Eventhough I am a less-settings advocate, I think this must remain a setting :). Why? Sites on Drupal differ a lot, and have a very differnet userbase. I run very low level sites, where it sometimes takes days before someone will read his/her mail. But I also know sites (drupal.org) where days would certainly be too long. Sorry Chris et al, I +1 on configurable duration. (hell, we really need some about:config alike screen in drupal) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ March 31, 2005 - 03:46 : Dries IMO, that setting has nothing to do with a site being "low level". If you request a new password, you probably want to login ASAP. I vote against a configuration option. Either way, this patch needs work: 1. We don't glue words together (eg. $hashedpass, $currenttime, $loginurl). Similarly, I suggest to change 'user/newpassword' to 'user/reset' or 'user/request-password'. 2. The patch exposes technical details to the user; terminology like "one time login URL" is likely to confuse many users. 3. The login URL is not clean URL safe, I think. 4. Please rename the variable $pass1 in user_pass_rehash(). 5. The code comments are often inconsistent. Some end with a punctuation, some don't. Some span two lines, others don't. On a related note, can't we reuse this system for the initial password? That is, instead of mailing a password, we mail an URL and force the user to enter a password. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ March 31, 2005 - 09:20 : Jose A Reyero Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/user_one_time_login_2.patch (12.77 KB) Ok, I've started with chx's reviewed patch, and done most of Dries suggestions Main changes are: ----------------------- - Rewording, variable names, path, etc... as pointed out by Dries. Now it's user/reset. And yes, it was not clean-URL safe; it is now. - Allowed also for admin account, I dont like it though, but seem to be the only one :( - Used also for user registration, but I also kept old style login/password, think it can be some use and anyway, it's up to the site admin to remove it from the welcome e-mail. However it is only for 'no admin approval', see below about this.... - Added back in the config option for time-out, though reworked completely for usability. Default is '1 day' which I think should be reasonable. However, there's no time out for firts time users. About this, read below, please... ----------------------- Using this for first time login has some problems when admin aproval is required, as the hashed pass depends on 'changed' timestamp, and it changes when the admin approves an account. Actually, there's no way to know -or I didn't find it- when it is the first login for an approved account. For no admin approval, I just used 'changed' == 'created' as a criterium. I think we should be separating this changed date and last login date creating a new field in the user table, but that maybe for a future patch. That would also increase security, as the Administrator's info would be more accurate, and 'last login date' could be shown when user logs in, which is also security+ Related with this I've experienced problems, as administrator, when editing user accounts, then last login info for the users gets lost -is reset-... About the config option for time out, though I agree that enforcing security can be good in general, this is one of this cases where more security means less usability. And that decission should be left to Site administrators -each site has its own security requirements-. So I think the target here should be a 'reasonable' default, and then some flexibility for site admins. IMHO this latest patch is quite well balanced. So... everybody happy? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ March 31, 2005 - 11:43 : Dries "So ... everyone happy?" Not quite. The patch is an improvement but it uses tabs, incorrect spacing, incorrect placement of brackets, and does not use theme('placeholder'). If a new database column is required to implement this properly, please add one. This patch won't get committed until it is implemented properly. I still vote to remove the configuration option. We're getting there ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 2, 2005 - 10:45 : factoryjoe I’m going to have to stick by my earlier assertion on this one, and, and, as with most usability issues, none of us are “correct” until we test it 50 times and see whether anyone actually uses the option. Just like with my folksonomy review [1], more options is *not always better* nor does it always help people *get things done*! To further expand this point, Jose says [2]: About the config option for time out, though I agree that enforcing security can be good in general, this is one of this cases where more security means less usability. And that decission should be left to Site administrators -each site has its own security requirements. " But this is a misuse of the term “usability”. What you’re talking about is *functionality*—since usability has more to do with focusing single-mindedly on the task at hand and reducing distraction than it does with providing extraneous options that might be useful for a fraction of all Drupal admins. To speak to Ber’s point [3], I cannot imagine a situation where, if I want to change my password because I’ve forgotten it, that it will take more than a few hours to get the email and fulfill the process. And even still, if it does — for whatever reason — take me a week to get around to resetting my password, then starting the process over again isn’t all that time consuming. Plus, I have the added sense of security that Drupal doesn’t let things like password resetting links stay active forever! So again, I agree that we need a reasonable default—24 hours is very generous for the singular task that we’re trying to serve here, which is, to my knowledge, to make the process for resetting your password easier and more secure. Lastly, about the patch itself: I noticed a couple <em> tags strewn around in lines 38, 43, 54 and 72 (as well as a <strong> on 54). Until we have a style guide for marking up usernames, should we really be using HTML like this? It seems to be that it would be better to use a span with a class of… say… “username” and let the themer determine whether the username should be bold, italicized, red, all caps and so on.*/ [1] http://drupal.org/node/19697#comment-25599 [2] http://drupal.org/node/18719#comment-25480 [3] http://drupal.org/node/18719#comment-25463 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 2, 2005 - 12:29 : factoryjoe One other quick question. How does this patch interact with distributed authentication? If I'm logged in with a remote account and ask to reset my password, what happens? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 3, 2005 - 01:22 : Dries factoryjoe: you can't reset your password when you are logged in. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 3, 2005 - 05:03 : Jose A Reyero About usability I've written this piece [4], so I really prefer to discuss it on the forums... That patch, I'll be cleaning it up a little bit, adding that last login field, and maybe go for that 'reasonable default', which anyway is not worth so much discussion.... [4] http://drupal.org/node/19918 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 4, 2005 - 16:20 : Jose A Reyero Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/user_one_time_login_3.patch (20.26 KB) Ok, lets try to make people happy, which will be good for my karma, I hope so ;-) So, changes: - Added 'lastlogin' field to user table. Now there's one timestamp for when an account is edited and another one for login. Of course, I've also taken care of the user's admin page. - Some small detail like help text for e-mail fields and that. - Now it can be used also for accounts with admin approval. - And yes, removed config option, 1 day time out for password recovery, no time out for first login. By the way, I've also patched db files for PostgreSQL, please someone review it, I don't know too much about it. The default e-mails may need better wording. Specially the one for password recovery which just says 'You have requested a new password', but I dont want users get too worried in case someone else has requested that password and the old one that said something like 'This is your new login information..' which may suggest it has been sent by the admin maybe updating accounts..... Anyway, every site admin can configure that email... As an idea for the future or for someone else - I've had enough for now with logging in 100 times to try this-, now that we can know when it is the first login for an user, a nice welcome message or welcome screen would be great :-) Or if someone wants to go for better security *nix style, some message telling the user when last logged in wouldn't be bad... So... ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 4, 2005 - 16:51 : factoryjoe +1 lastlogin time. Also, I just lost my admin password for WP and these are the emails I received at each stage of the process (email titles in bold): *[FactoryCity] Password Reset* "Someone has asked to reset a password for the login this site http://www.factorycity.net/blog [5] Login: admin To reset your password visit the following address, otherwise just ignore this email and nothing will happen. http://www.factorycity.net/blog/wp-login.php?action=resetpass&key=XXXXXf4xx… " *[FactoryCity] Your new password* " Login: admin Password: XxXxXxX http://www.factorycity.net/blog/wp-login.php " *[FactoryCity] Password Lost/Change* "Password Lost and Changed for user: admin " [5] http://www.factorycity.net/blog ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 6, 2005 - 11:39 : Dries Good job. Some more remarks: - Don't glue words together. Please use 'login' instead of 'lastlogin'. - Write 'administrator' not 'admin'. - You capitalized some random 'subjects' (eg. those in the form's help text). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 7, 2005 - 08:30 : Jose A Reyero Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/user_one_time_login_4.patch (20.28 KB) Replaced 'lastlogin' by 'login', 'admin' by 'administrator' Dries, about the "You capitalized some random 'subjects'", no clue what you are talking about... ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 14, 2005 - 02:32 : jacusah Will this patch be added to the core? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 15, 2005 - 11:08 : bloggator I can't seem to get this patch to work without problems. Once I've installed it, when I try to go to my account, I get a 404 error. I'm running 4.52 and I tried both the file versions of user.module and updates.inc mentioned in the patch and the latest versions in the cvs and no dice. Everything seems to be fine with the database change and the updates.inc file. When I add the new user.module, that's when things go wonky. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 16, 2005 - 03:24 : Jose A Reyero bloggator, this is not a patch for 4.5 !!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 16, 2005 - 03:38 : Dries One more round of revisions before this patch can go in: - The patch no longer applies because of earlier changes. - Don't add a column to the user overview page. The overview should show when the user has been 'last seen' (last activity). - From looking at the patch, it seems we are still e-mailing passwords? - Some status messages could do with being made simpler -- not critical at this point. - Some of the new functions could do with having some minimal phpdoc. Thanks.

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[drupal-devel] [bug] User blog link missing on /blog
by jhriggs 17 Apr '05

17 Apr '05

Issue status update for http://drupal.org/node/20668 Project: Drupal Version: 4.6.0 Component: blog.module Category: bug reports Priority: critical Assigned to: Anonymous Reported by: jhriggs Updated by: jhriggs Status: patch Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/user_blog.patch (732 bytes) On the posts displayed on the /blog page, there is no link to the user's blog. I mark this as critical because some of my users were very confused as to how to get to a user's blog. I said, "Just click the link below the post," to which they replied, "What link?" I looked myself, and, sure enough, it was missing. The current logic is checking: arg(0) != 'blog' && arg(1) != $user->uid But in this case it short-circuits on the first test. The attached patch changes the AND to an OR, because what we really want is: !(arg(0) == 'blog' && arg(1) == $user->uid) It would be good to get this applied to both 4.6 and HEAD. jhriggs

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[drupal-devel] [feature] Enable multiple block regions (not just "left" and "right" sidebars)
by syscrusher 17 Apr '05

17 Apr '05

Issue status update for http://drupal.org/node/16216 Project: Drupal Version: cvs Component: block.module Category: feature requests Priority: normal Assigned to: Anonymous Reported by: paragkenia Updated by: syscrusher Status: patch The first paragraph of adrian [1]'s post is a point that occurred to me also, as I read this thread. One suggestion would be to separate the definition and configuration of blocks, on one hand, from the placement of those blocks, on the other hand. In other words, Drupal core provides a mechanism defining what blocks exist, which of these are on by default or off by default and user-selectable vs. which are forced on for all users, and the configuration (if applicable) of specialized blocks defined by particular modules. Each theme provides a standard hook function that returns an array of region names and help/description text, e.g., array('left'=>t('This vertical region is left of the main content area'), 'right'=>t('This vertical region is right of the main content area'), 'footer'=>t('The footer is below the left, right, and main content areas of the page')). The theme part of Drupal core (i.e., theme.module itself, not the individual themes) provides a standard UI that is displayed within config of *each theme* (but is one physical code base within theme.module) that allows the administrator to map blocks defined by Drupal core into regions defined by the theme, and storing that mapping as an theme-to-block_ID-to-region_ID (with weight) table in the database. From there, the actual page rendering is similar to what's being done now, but there is more of it. I guess what I'm trying to say is that the key to solving this problem is breaking it along its degrees of orthogonality, and there are three -- two in Drupal core and one in the individual theme. Scott [1] http://drupal.org//user/1517 syscrusher Previous comments: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ January 26, 2005 - 05:27 : paragkenia I read the comparision discussion between *Drupal* and *Mambo*. In several messages it was outlined that Drupal can place blocks only in right and left and not flexible to put them on anywhere where one want. It will be great if this can be changed in upcoming versions. I am no pro at PHP, so don't know how much time this task will take, but I think it is very important. parag ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 14, 2005 - 20:44 : nedjo This issue was apparently partially addressed in issue http://drupal.org/node/19694 [2]. [2] http://drupal.org/node/19694 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 16, 2005 - 19:24 : nedjo Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/block-dynamic-regions.patch (8.17 KB) This much-requested functionality - to have the ability to place blocks in more than the two predefined regions - was partially addressed in issue http://drupal.org/node/19694. [3]. But "blocks" are still limited to the "left" and "right" sidebars (hard-coded in block.module). This patch is a first step designed to enable multiple (eventually, admin-definable) regions for blocks. I've moved the existing "left" and "right" block regions to a 'region' table (with ids of 0 and 1, as currently used in themes). Then all references to the regions are drawn dynamically from the table. This way, if further records are added, they will appear in the list of available regions for block placement. Doing this actually reduces some duplicated code, since it's no longer necessary to repeat code blocks for each of "left" and "right". As it stands, the patch doesn't add any new functionality--but I don't think it breaks anything either. New functionality would need (a) new regions defined, and (b) changes to themes. A simple first step might be, e.g., to add a "footer" region and then add a call in the footer generation to append any blocks assigned to the footer region there. I'm setting this to patch, but I'm aware that it needs some discussion and refining before it'll be ready to apply. [3] http://drupal.org/node/19694. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 16, 2005 - 20:05 : nedjo Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/block_regions.png (5.65 KB) Here's a screenshot showing the block admin page, with drop-downs for region placement (the options are dynamically generated based on defined regions). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ April 16, 2005 - 21:57 : adrian The biggest problem with this is that you can have multiple themes, and each of these themes can have different regions available. Also, the method of defining which regions are available needs to be standardised. Some of the work that me and Vlado are working on for the install system would go towards solving that problem (ie: meta information for modules, themes and styles). This has been discussed to death, but the general consensus has been that we _want_ to do this, but we need to solve a few other problems properly first, the most pertinent being the interface issue. Chris (factoryjoe) recently did a whole mess of workflows for something related to this.

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