October 2006 - Development - lists.drupal.org

Proper method for including external libraries
by Joseph Bratton 11 Oct '06

11 Oct '06

Quick question, what is the "proper" method for including external libraries within a drupal module? Should I place a require_once at the top of the module, or just at the beginning of any functions within the module that use that library? Once at the top of the module is cleaner, but it also means that it is loaded on every page, whether it is actually used or not. Thanks, Joey

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jQuery Rounded Corners plugin...
by Morbus Iff 11 Oct '06

11 Oct '06

http://paul.jquery.com/plugins/nifty/ http://paul.jquery.com/plugins/nifty/example.html From the jQuery mailing list: ------- paul.bakaus(a)googlemail.com I noticed there was an update on the famous nifty2, which does rounded corners on elements without the use of graphics. When I saw the parsing capabilites, I thought "Why not use jQuery for that". So I went ahead and used 3 hours of my time to modify and optimize the plugin as a jQuery plugin. You can check it out here: The code can probably still be optimized alot, but I don't have the time. If someone wants to help, go on and grap the js :) ------- -- Morbus Iff ( united we're bland ) Technical: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779 Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus

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Re: [development] Why Drupal 5.x must have built-in WYSIWYG Editor?
by Michelle Cox 11 Oct '06

11 Oct '06

On 10/6/2006 3:44:01 AM, Drupal Indonesia (support(a)drupal-id.com) wrote: > 2. A best solution, IMHO, is provide a function in Drupal to call the > Editor. > This Editor() function simply call the ediitor if available, but if no >editor installed > then Editor() uses <textarea>. While I don't agree that Drupal needs a WYSIWYG built in, I do like this idea. If I'm understanding right, it's basically a hook to call whatever editor the user has installed or a plain text area if none. From my non-dev perspective, that sounds like a useful thing. Would be especially nice if there was a way to make it so that, for example, my users get BBCode and I get QuickTags. And that they only show up when editing the main text of a node. Michelle

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Re: [development] 2k qps
by Tamir Khason 11 Oct '06

11 Oct '06

Yes, sure it is a one of things to consider - MaxClients. But it's not an issue when it comes to server hang. It doesn't have time to start swap but just hangs. It worked like this with 100-256 clients configured. Each process takes around 10-13MB. It cannot be decreased since lot of modules are loaded. Actually we can turn off log module and info module and may be more here and there...but overall this doesn't help. The hang happens immediately and not slowly with the time. We have simple monitor for load average coming to 5 and then sending mail. The problem is that load average goes to 100 within a minute and nothing can alert or work. Sometimes it reaches 500. Average process amount is around 70-80 until the problem comes to visit us...So adjusting MaxClients won't help a lot here. KeepAlive is 15 sec and it's fair. I can reduce it to 3-5 secs..not sure it might help. Once again, when problem starts all processes are engaged and system hangs..so keepalive won't help. May be Timeout..but we cannot decrease its settings otherwise it will cut on image upload. If I am not mistakening thttpd is discontinued project. In our case I wanted use TUX but it cannot serve htaccess file. So I am planning run 2 apache. 1 in worker mode and server static content and behind it prefork mode serving dynamic content only. We tried to move everything to httpd.conf but seems those Drupal guys want .htaccess to exist so we have no choice and using it and I do know that apache makes an extra look for .htaccess in each dir it accesses. Shortly: we cannot turn AllowOverride to None. Query_cache for some tables could be an interesting thing. We will surely investigate this one and try. Also we will look into that alias thingy you've been talking about. More than that, we even don't succeed to enter server-status in apache to see what goes on...everything goes too fast and something kills the server within the seconds.. Thanks so far > From: Amr Mostafa <amr.mostafa(a)gmail.com> > Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 10:27:54 +0200 > Subject: Re: [development] 2k qps > To: development(a)drupal.org > > > Check if the number of Apache processes is too high (e.g. 256 which > > may not fit in your RAM without swapping), and lower it if necessary. > > Regarding this, what I do is watch the process table, see the average > memory footprint for each apache process, let's say it's 6 mb. You > have 1000 mb, leave some RAM for mysql and other services, so > remaining is 600 mb (just an example). 600/6 = 100. And that's the Max > apache processes I will be allowing. Because more than that it means > my apache will swap. > > If your theme has lots of images, consider tweaking your Keep-Alive > (http://httpd.apache.org/docs/1.3/keepalive.html) and cache > (http://www.mnot.net/cache_docs/) it will help save unnecessary > apache processes. Also, consider serving your non php files under > thttpd (http://www.acme.com/software/thttpd/) or another light web > server. > > Consider moving your rewriting rules to to conf files instead of > .htaccess, due to way rewriting works, it internally resets part of > the request processing cycle when invoked too late (e..g via > .htaccess) while having it in conf files enables it to take action > early enough. > > Consider removing your .htaccess completely, move the configuration to > .conf files, and disable .htaccess in apache conf. This will save you > a few system calls. > > If your site is a community one that gets updated a lot, consider > turning off query cache for some tables. Because in that case, cache > becomes invalid in very short intervals and maintaining cache becomes > overhead. > > No one sugguested a Drupal performance tip. I will kick the ball off, > it's a bit nuts, might break things but this is the devel list right ? > I find many sites not using Drupal's aliases feature. If you are one > of those, consider turning off aliases lookup. I do this quickly by > adding return FALSE in first line in > (http://api.drupal.org/api/4.7/function/drupal_lookup_path) This will > save you some queries. > > Of course you will want to benchmark all that and see what works best > for you. >

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2k qps
by Tamir Khason 11 Oct '06

11 Oct '06

Please share, if 2k qps for loaded drupal for 3k concurrent users is OK. My server (2x2G Xeon 1G Ram) goes mad of such load and once a day just hanged within second (even did not write err_log). What can it be? Might it be core problem?

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Drupal 5.x Installation is Bad!
by Drupal Indonesia 11 Oct '06

11 Oct '06

Hi, I just try 5.x CVS version and very sad that the installation procedure can't create the Database for me! Unlike Joomla, this is very sad. Does core dev have plan to make it better (easier)? Regards.

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Re: [development] Drupal 5.x Administer Page very difficult
by Aidas 11 Oct '06

11 Oct '06

+1 for Jonathan's proposal. Module configuration is closely related to module installation/ activation, so it would be rational and convenient to have the links to module settings in the module list. Aidas Bendoraitis [aka Archatas] > Hi, > > There are many place to configure Drupal module now. I suggest we > don't use > administer-setting anymore. All configuration should be put on the > administer-modules page. > > i.e, when user click on administer-module-profiles then the > Profile.module > setting page displayed! > > Jonathan.

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Logging of IRC Channels?
by Morbus Iff 10 Oct '06

10 Oct '06

A decision was made today by one of the ops of #drupal and #drupal-support: that anyone *publicly* logging the channels would be banned. I'd like to get a communal response to this, however. My generic opinion is: 1) anyone who believes any internet communication is private, without prior warning (encryption, auth, etc.), is naive. 2) the #drupal-support channel is a large font of knowledge, fixes, and help. not being able to search it, or use its resources outside of real time, is a great loss. 3) that this should not be the decision of one person. 4) feelings that it would change the "mood" of the channel is no different than being informed that a mailing list has a moderator (or is archived) or that anything you post on Drupal.org is also search-engine-able: you self-censor yourself. IRC is no less "professional" or "private" than any other medium. -- Morbus Iff ( i know a little of everything, a lot of nothing. ) Technical: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/779 Culture: http://www.disobey.com/ and http://www.gamegrene.com/ icq: 2927491 / aim: akaMorbus / yahoo: morbus_iff / jabber.org: morbus

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Security review for new "Remember Me" module?
by Barry Jaspan 10 Oct '06

10 Oct '06

At some point in the past, before I joined the Drupal party, Drupal apparently had the standard "Remember Me" login functionality but it was removed. There was at least one long discussion about it on d.o a year or two ago and it resulted in patches to move ini_set calls into settings.php but did not result in a new Remember Me checkbox. I could not really tell why and several inquiries on #drupal went unanswered. Anyway, I have now created a new Remember Me module (presently in my sandbox, bjaspan/remember_me). Its design is based on "Persistent Login Cookie Best Practice" by Charles Miller, 01/19/2004, http://fishbowl.pastiche.org/2004/01/19/persistent_login_cookie_best_practi…. It is more user-friendly, flexible, and secure than a long-life PHP session. Although I do not propose adding to this core, since it is obviously security-critical I'd like to have it audited before I commit it to contrib. Any takers? Note to user 'doq': I see that you have already created a module called remember_me. I think this new one is substantially more complete and secure so I suggest we replace yours with it, though I welcome your suggestions and comments. Thanks, Barry

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Re: [development] Logging of IRC Channels?
by Michelle Cox 10 Oct '06

10 Oct '06

On 10/9/2006 8:27:42 AM, Morbus Iff (morbus(a)disobey.com) wrote: > FWIW, if /I/ was providing the logs as a /historical archive/, then no, > I wouldn't > take out the link, as that would be rewriting history. Were I > to use the logs for, say, searching via Druplicon, then certainly, I > /would/ remove the link because it doesn't impact negatively on > legitimate searches. What's wrong with simply inserting <link removed by request> into your archive? In my case, it's my family site, which I mentioned in the channel last May. I've since decided I'd rather not have it showing up in Google and was taking a look around to see if there was any references to it still. If I had found your historical archive and asked you to take my family site out of it, you really would refuse? I find that surprising. Even the big internet archive won't archive things that they are asked not to (via robots.txt). > > > if anything should be done about it. Then all Hell broke loose. LOL > > Which is all my fault. I don't know about that. Seems like there were a lot of people jumping on this. I didn't realize I was going to stir up such a hornet's nest that even pulled Dries in! Michelle

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