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[drupal-devel] Chat with MySQL founder and team members in IRC
by Kieran Lal 09 Sep '05

09 Sep '05

Hi, I made contact with David Axmark and some of the MySQL developers with the four questions we posted. I'll be contacting the questioners for clarification. They have requested a copy of our slow query log and the database schema for review. Cheers, Kieran

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[drupal-devel] [task] Improvments to Filter UI
by Bèr Kessels 09 Sep '05

09 Sep '05

Issue status update for http://drupal.org/node/27364 Post a follow up: http://drupal.org/project/comments/add/27364 Project: Drupal Version: cvs Component: filter.module Category: tasks Priority: normal Assigned to: Bèr Kessels Reported by: Bèr Kessels Updated by: Bèr Kessels -Status: patch (code needs work) +Status: patch (code needs review) Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/filter_module_UI_consistancy_2.patch (13.57 KB) * Bugs as reported by dries fixed. * The [add] tab not appearing is due to your menu caching, refresh that please. * Fixed an additional bug: Some agents do not send TRUE for disabled checkboxen. Also in current filter admin. and people: we have a problem. Deleting a filter trows errors, due to the revisions changes. that happens in filter module now, but also after this patch. I have too little knowledge of the filter system to fix that, and IMO that is a separate issue. It should be fixed right after this patch is committed. Bèr Kessels Previous comments: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:30:54 +0000 : Bèr Kessels This is a mockup for the Filter UI. Currently it is soo complex, that I dare to call it broken. Please comment on this, for I will not ake any patches, when the general idea is disliked. The idea is t split filters and input formats better. Filters are filters, defined in modules. Input formats are bundles of filters. This is how we have it ATM, but the interface fails to communicate that. I tried to develop a consistent (with the rest of Drupal) interfce that makes it clearer what is what. The menu is as follows: * administer ** .... ** settings *** input formats *** filters ** ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:37:10 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-formats_list1.png (16.34 KB) * administer ** .... ** settings *** input formats >> see attachement 1 *** filters ** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:39:02 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-formats_add.png (23.42 KB) * administer ** .... ** settings *** input formats >> see attachement 2, tab 2 *** filters ** Note: The default checkbox lmay seem a bit odd. But checking it will remove the "default status" from the current "default" one and make this one "default". The help text, and a drupal_set_message should explain this. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:40:08 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-formats_edit_format.png (22.17 KB) * administer ** .... ** settings *** input formats >> clicking a 'configure' link in the table of attachement 1 *** filters ** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:40:55 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-filters_list.png (36.24 KB) * administer ** .... ** settings *** input formats *** filters >> see attachement 4 ** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:41:40 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-formats_edit.png (22.63 KB) * administer ** .... ** settings *** input formats *** filters >> clicking a 'configure' link in the table of attachement 4 ** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:46:27 +0000 : Bèr Kessels IMO this makes the interface easier. But other disagree. And because it also removes one feature: (being able to use E.g. HTML in different input formats, with different settings) I'll simply wont fix this :( ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:36:12 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/filter_module_UI_consistancy.patch (10.28 KB) I decided to go for it anyway. Be it in a slightly different way then my initial mockups. The difference is that I left the filters where they are, hidden beneath the formats. So, here is the patch that makes the filter UI more consistent with screens like blocs, menus, vocabularies et al also nice to note is that: 93 lines are added, 104 are removed. So netto we have less code :) (cvs diff filter.module | grep ^+ | wc -l) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:37:02 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-formats_list_html.png (44.64 KB) Here is how the listing now looks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:37:57 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-formats_edit_format_html.png (113.71 KB) And the "configure" screen. The 'add' screen looks exactly the same, only with the default values pre-filled. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:39:19 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-formats_edit_format_too_long.png (121.82 KB) Oh, And here is a really nice example of why the current screen is no good. And here I "only" have four roles. I run a site with 12 roles, imagine this screen then! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:48:35 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/filter_module_UI_consistancy_HEAD.patch (10.24 KB) And here is a pathc for HEAD (I forgot that I developed this on a 4.6.2 codebase. Sorry) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:55:25 +0000 : stefan nagtegaal I like this very, very much! This is - indeed - much better than the current UI. This always fits, and makes the life of people who use a fixed width theme much nicer.. Ber, FYI (you probably know this too), 'admin/access' does also break fixed width themes due to the fact that it expands the width of the table when more roles are being added.. Good catch! I like it much more this way.. +1 from me... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:27:34 +0000 : Dries The code style needs work (spaces, tabs, 'as' -> 'AS'), the code comments need work, and debug statements should be removed. Screenshots look good to me. db_query('UPDATE {filter_formats} SET cache = %d, name = \'%s\', roles = \'%s\' WHERE format = %d', (int)$cache, $name, $roles, $format); can be written better/shorter quote-wise. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:04:16 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/filter_module_UI_consistancy_HEAD_0.patch (10.37 KB) Dries, thanks a lot for the review. OI fixed your comments. Or so I hope. code-style.pl was of no use (can that *please* be removed from core?) because it chokes on the help texts. It also pointed out a lot of old formatting isues, whic, when fixed wuold flood this patch with unrelated fixes. I tried to narow my style-searching to the areas I touched. And I made the comments more verbous. The query is fixed. it saves no characters, but looks better now. Thanks for the tip. The print_r..... blush. thats what I get for not running my default grep -r print_r on my code after finishing up... I could not find a lot of spaces and tabs. So it lmight be that i missed one. I triple checked it though. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:32:21 +0000 : Steven Moving the role settings inward does fix the wide-table problem, but it makes the filter configuration much more opaque. We could perhaps fix this by showing the roles as a comma-separate list in the input formats table. Such a list can wrap and will not stretch the table. Other than that: * Having the instructions for the Roles and Filters form_group() at the bottom is a bit weird. The distance is too big. * The table that was used for toggling filters on/off was much more compact before, and IMO a lot clearer. Why change to a flat list with the description staggered below each item? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:31:30 +0000 : Bèr Kessels consistancy, consistancy and more consistancy. There really is nothing worse that having a different 'concept' of UI for every thing in Drupal. We are going in the right direction, with the blocks being editable objects, menus acting like that, taxonomy, users, etc.. I wanted to make this act similar. I am not at all happy with the fact tah the list is still a form. But we need this, for setting the default. A big -1 for a comma-separate list. That is extremely hackish, even worse useabilitywise and just silly * we should avoid typing when not needed. * we should avoid errors on input, when they can be avoided (a typo is made very easy, I know all about it) Form set errors won't fix that usability -wise. I agree that you sort-of loose the overview. But IMO that is a minor loss comared to what we gain, usability-wise. The wtoo-wide was onlywhat triggered me. But do not think that I am noly making this patch to fix that issue. This patch is there to improve usability, through consistancy. o make drupal behave the same in most places in admin. If you know one screen, you know most of them. We really should move away from custom-hacks for every page, because that is useability rule #1: consistancy. Stadardisation, even if sometimes a custom hack might make things easier in that single case, it will reduce your overall usability so much that nearly ever it is worth that hack. That select-boxes instead of the table issue: consistancy. As well that it completely broke fluid CSS layouts, my solution is more consistant, and uses forms the way they are meant. If we cannot use $descritption in checkboxes they should be removed. but IMO it feels much more consistant. Tables are for tabular data, and this is simply a list of items, with additional data. And i do not really get what you mean with "too far down". Do you mean that you would like to see the order of the groups different? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:31:24 +0000 : Dries I haven't tested Ber's patch yet but looking at the screenshots, it like what I see. I remember being confused by the current filter UI, and often, I still am. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:53:26 +0000 : moshe weitzman I dislike the recent movement away from overview pages. I think we can still provide and overview while allowing editing to happen in a dedicated form. An example in the wrong direction is 'content types' admin. It is impossible to get an overview, and the listing page is worthless. I agree with Steven on this one. It is true that consistency is desirable. But consistent crap is not. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:02:39 +0000 : killes(a)www.drop.org I agree with Moshe. Getting a quick overview about what is set how is essential for an admin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:27:15 +0000 : Robrecht Jacques Overall I like the screenshots. Did not test the patch. Bèr, what I think Steven (#15) meant by "showing the roles as a comma-separate list in the input formats table" is that as an overview page it would be better if you added a list (not an input box!) to screenshot "input-formats_list1.png" (comment #1). Add a column that reads "Roles" (or "Enabled for") and then for each row a comma seperated list of the roles that can use this input format (or maybe even better a HTML list). You would still need to click "configure" to _change_ the roles. The "Default" text (not a radio button) you already show in the "Options" column is something similar: it immediately shows that this input format is the default without you having to go to the "configure" page. Why not do the same for "roles"? If this is what Steven meant, then I tend to agree with him. And to help moshe and killes: maybe you could even add a column that _lists_ the used input filters. Again, only a list, not a way to change it. That's what the "operations" column is for. A table like that will "fluid" better than what we have now, still it is a _complete_ overview of the settings. I could have misunderstand someone... I have the tendency to do that... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:21:32 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/filter_interface_improvements.patch (14.52 KB) by popular demand: a comma separated list. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:24:31 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/format_now_contains_roles.png (22.09 KB) and a screenshot ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:39:44 +0000 : Dries Please check your use of print theme('page', $output). Normally, you just return $output. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:54:28 +0000 : Bèr Kessels All instances of theme('page',...) in filter.module are now changed to return ... ; furthermore, the patch is the same. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:04:02 +0000 : Uwe Hermann Bèr, I think you forgot to attach your updated patch. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:27:39 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/filter_interface_improvements_2.patch (13.52 KB) my email client has this nice warning system for attachements. Maybe drupal should search for the word attachement too, and when no att. found give an error ;). Or maybe i should just learn to pay attention. Guess that is easier. Anyway, here it is. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 08 Sep 2005 20:22:54 +0000 : Dries I wanted to apply this patch but: 1. I can't change the default input format. 'Save'-button doesn't work. 2. I got confused by the fact I can't change the roles of the default filter. I think the form group description should explain this. 3. form_group(t(filter)) should be form_group(t('filter'), ...). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 08 Sep 2005 20:51:24 +0000 : m3avrck Found a few more issues: If I go into 'Configure' for 'PHP Code' and click the 'Configure' tab at the top and then click 'list filters' link in the text, I get this warning with PHP5 warning: Missing argument 1 for filter_admin_format() in \drupal\modules\filter.module on line 378. Also, it is sort of confusing as to what the 'List' tab implies. For example, if I click on 'input formats' in the admin menu, I get a list of the current filters. When I click 'configure' for one of those, I see the options for that filter. However, it says 'list' in one of the tab, which doesn't really mean much. I thought that was the list of filters, not the options for that filter. That should be cleaned up. Also, there is no way to get back to the full list of filters unless you click on 'input formats' in the admin menu. A setting/link to fix this would be great. Also, where is the link to add filters??? I think the options/layout/tabs should mimic of that of admin > users. So on admin > input formats, it has the tabs 'list', 'add format' ... very clear and consistent. On a configure page for a filter, it should have 'list', 'view', 'configure', 'rearrange' ... this would make it easier to navigate and get back to the original list of filters. Make sense? I think this and Dries' comments put this patch over the top :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 09 Sep 2005 01:48:55 +0000 : tag In my initial battle to figure out this module's (quite nice) functionality, what tripped me up the most was actually the nomenclature. The way I keep it straight in my head now is to translate "input format" to "filter set". If you view those (the current) screens with this in mind, I think it's a lot easier to understand what's what. It sort of describes this in the help text, but the terms "filter" and "input format" don't really convey the relationship between the two -- there's no way to intuit that an "input format" is a collection of "filters". Not to my mind at least... and well, we know nobody reads instructions... Are there any technicalities that make renaming "input format" to "filter set" not accurate? Or does someone have a better term/terms to better show the relationship of these elements? (I'm aware of filters in servlet architectures but I don't think there's much of a collision with that usage). Anyhow, I guess this doesn't quite address the UI controls and/or layout, but would still help a lot. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 09 Sep 2005 06:35:34 +0000 : Bèr Kessels I prefer filter set. In fact: I like it a lot. Anyone else ideas on this? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 09 Sep 2005 10:18:18 +0000 : Dries I too had problems with the terminology; it took me months to get used to 'input formats' versus 'filters'. Using 'filter sets' might improve the situation -- especially from an administrator's point of view when you have to wrap your head around the UI/difference. I'm not native English, but 'filter set' sounds more explanatory, yet slightly more geeky so I'm not sure if it flies for users who don't need to understand the underlying concepts (eg. under the node and comment submission forms). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 09 Sep 2005 11:00:05 +0000 : Bèr Kessels a heads up: I ma redoing the patch. But decided no to change the name yet. That is a too big change. IT should be in a separate issue, IMO.

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[drupal-devel] [task] Extend db_query()
by Cvbge 09 Sep '05

09 Sep '05

Issue status update for http://drupal.org/node/17656 Post a follow up: http://drupal.org/project/comments/add/17656 Project: Drupal Version: cvs Component: database system Category: tasks Priority: normal Assigned to: killes(a)www.drop.org Reported by: killes(a)www.drop.org Updated by: Cvbge Status: patch (code needs review) Hello, NULLs again. Previously I wrote that NULLs are treated as integers and passed with %d and converted to 0. This is of course not true [were I sick when writting it?]. They are treated as strings and converted to '' (empty string) This will create similar problems as FALSE. Maybe NULL should be treated as %d (and converted to 0) after all? Cvbge Previous comments: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:48:30 +0000 : killes(a)www.drop.org Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/db-query.patch (2.16 KB) We should make our database abstraction layer more robust and ensure that module authors can use it without string manipulations inside the query. Several queries use implode() to get their arguments into the query. This is undesirable as we rely on the module author to check the keys and values of such arrays for exploitation attempts. I have created the attached patch which shouldbe able to allow us to not use implode anymore. A minor problem is that all inserted values will be treated as strings. This might be a problem with PostgreSQL at least. However, the same strategy is already used in Drupal core without any complaints I know of. Summary: This patch will alow us to simplify some code in node.module, user.module, taxonomy.module and probably others. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:03:58 +0000 : killes(a)www.drop.org It's a patch. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:19:13 +0000 : killes(a)www.drop.org Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/db-query_0.patch (2.07 KB) Squeezed out two lines of code after consultation with Karoly. Adds only 10 loc (plus some docs). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:23:08 +0000 : chx Do I need to say +1? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 03 Mar 2005 00:15:10 +0000 : killes(a)www.drop.org Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/db-query_1.patch (2.69 KB) After some discussion with Adrian at Drupal Con we found out that we do not know why node_save currently works with pgsql. It currently assumes that all db columns are strings. It seems to work but we should not rely on it. Here is a patch that checks for the type of field that is inserted. It needs testing. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tue, 26 Jul 2005 01:17:04 +0000 : drumm +1 for making this into an API. I've seen too many hacked together query builders in Drupal and Contrib. I have not tested. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:30:29 +0000 : Bèr Kessels untested. a big +1 for the feature ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:41:52 +0000 : killes(a)www.drop.org the patch still applies. the new patch here updates node_save to use it. Untested. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:42:24 +0000 : killes(a)www.drop.org Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/node-%a.patch (926 bytes) the patch still applies. the new patch here updates node_save to use it. Untested. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:45:17 +0000 : Cvbge "After some discussion with Adrian at Drupal Con we found out that we do not know why node_save currently works with pgsql. " Well, it does not work. Real life exampless of not-working include flexinode (my experience) and forum module (as someone reported). Probably also others. The bug occurs when a normal user (but with necessarily rights) adds a node and he has no controls (the 'moderated', 'sticky', 'published' etc). The, in node_load() $node->sticky, $node->moderated (and maybe others) are set to FALSE (or TRUE, but in this case it works). When doing printf("%s", FALSE) the FALSE is change to empty string. The sticky and moderated db fields are numeric and postgresql do not accept '' (empty string) as a value of integer type. The result is for example such error: warning: pg_query(): Query failed: ERROR: invalid input syntax for integer: "" in ..../includes/database.pgsql.inc on line 45. user error: query: INSERT INTO node (title, uid, type, teaser, status, moderate, promote, sticky, body, comment, created, changed, nid) VALUES('xx', '2', 'flexinode-1', '<div class="flexinode-body flexinode-1"><div class="flexinode-image-3"><div class="form-item"> <label>Zdjęcie:</label><br /> <img alt="xx" src="..../pliki/" /><br />Get original file (28KB) [1] </div> </div></div>', '1', '', '1', '', '<div class="flexinode-body flexinode-1"><div class="flexinode-image-3"><div class="form-item"> <label>Zdjęcie:</label><br /> <img alt="xx" src="..../pliki/" /><br />Get original file (28KB) [2] </div> < in ..../includes/database.pgsql.inc on line 62. [1] http://drupal.org/..../pliki//tmp/male.jpg [2] http://drupal.org/..../pliki//tmp/male.jpg ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:03:14 +0000 : Cvbge Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/node.module_5.diff (500 bytes) Here's a quick fix for 4.6 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wed, 27 Jul 2005 13:10:54 +0000 : killes(a)www.drop.org Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/node-a.patch (1.8 KB) the last patch wasn't good. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 08 Aug 2005 08:19:14 +0000 : killes(a)www.drop.org Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/db_api_taxonomy.patch (3.5 KB) Here is an additional patch for taxonomy.module it removes the two custom functions that are used for inserts and updates. Needs testing. @Cvbge: shoduld we have a better test than just is_numeric in _db_argument_type to fix the pgsql problems? We could also try to pass $value by reference and cast it to int. this function is only used for updates/inserts so we can afford an additional check. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 08 Aug 2005 08:37:25 +0000 : killes(a)www.drop.org Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/db_query.patch (2.74 KB) Here's a revised version fo the original patch. _db_argument_type now gets the $value argument by reference and we check for bools too. numerics and bools are cast to int. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 08 Aug 2005 10:34:36 +0000 : Bèr Kessels I cannot say anything about performance for I do not know how to benchmark this. But I tried it, And rewrote some queries in a custom module, to use it, and like it a lot. The code becomes cleaner, and better readable. But above all, i see this idea going into a very interesting and good direction: that of 'more' query builders in core'. a +1! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 08 Aug 2005 10:51:14 +0000 : Cvbge I'll be talking about postgres db only. The patch won't work as expected in some cases. Let's say we have a text/char/other character column and we want to insert a text that looks like a number. The _db_argument_type() will recognize the value as a numeric/number etc and will use $key = %d format. Even not considering printf() numeric conversion this can lead to incorrect value inserted into db. Examples of such problematic texts are: 01 (leading 0), 2e2 (scientific notation), probably also text with trailing/leading white spaces. When inserting such data into db without quotes the postgres db will think this is a number and will change 010 to 10, 2e2 to 200 . Here is an example: piotr=> CREATE TABLE t(c CHAR(10)); piotr=> INSERT INTO t VALUES (01); piotr=> INSERT INTO t VALUES (2e2); piotr=> INSERT INTO t VALUES (-01); piotr=> INSERT INTO t VALUES (000); piotr=> SELECT * from t; c ------------ 1 200 -1 0 (4 rows) I think it's safe to use '%s' everywhere. I could not find it writtent directly in postgres documentation (although I remember reading it somewhere some time ago). Postgres will convert the string to correct integer/numeric/bool value. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sat, 13 Aug 2005 01:14:41 +0000 : killes(a)www.drop.org Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/db_query_0.patch (2.69 KB) Ok, the patch now does only distinguish between integerss and the rest. This is needed to decide whether we need quotes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sat, 13 Aug 2005 09:40:59 +0000 : Cvbge I'm sorry, but I see no reason for this integer check. Can you explain why there is a need to differentiate between integers and other types? The only problem I see is with converting bool(FALSE). This value is converted to empty string ('') and when trying to insert it into numeric, float, bool, date (probably any column that is not text type) etc you get error. One solution would be to check for bool(FALSE) and convert it to 0. This would work for numeric-like and bool fields. But it would not work for DATA columns (would produce error). Also, entering '0' into text column might not be what the author wanted. But this is more a problem with the coder - if you have integer/date etc field, insert integer/date/etc data type, not bool! Side note: the integer-version, the one without '', will be used only for integers (i.e. ..., -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, ... see http://php.net/manual/en/language.types.integer.php) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sat, 13 Aug 2005 09:43:19 +0000 : Cvbge "DATA" should be "DATE" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 14 Aug 2005 00:53:34 +0000 : killes(a)www.drop.org Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/db_query_1.patch (2.71 KB) Ok, another attempt. There is indeed no real reason to use %d for integers, they work fine as strings and are converted by sprintf to strings independend of %d or %s. But it is the Right Thing(tm), so I kept it. Booleans, however, need the %d formatter in order to be converted to 0 and 1. TRUE to 1 always works, but FALSE to 0 only works with %d. All tests on php 4.3.x. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:46:04 +0000 : Cvbge The part I was objecting previously looks ok now. I haven't tested the code though. I still think it'd be nice to change php NULL to real SQL NULLs, but I don't have how to do it (at least not with current approach). The best would be if there was (s)printf flag that would just ignore it's argument... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sat, 27 Aug 2005 19:36:04 +0000 : Thomas Ilsche Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/node_save.patch (907 bytes) +1, tested Runs nicely but maybe NULL and floats might need special treatment. I have attached an INCOMPLETE patch for node_save using the new feature that also fixes the following issue. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tue, 30 Aug 2005 18:13:48 +0000 : killes(a)www.drop.org Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/node_save_0.patch (3.65 KB) Here is an updated patch that takes a lot of the code I added to node_save out again (approx 20 loc). it also fixes a docs glitch in that function. Needs testing and is to be used with the patch from http://drupal.org/node/17656#comment-39222 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 04 Sep 2005 18:13:36 +0000 : Cvbge A remark about NULL values: in this patch they are treated as integers and thus allways changed to '0'. In existing code the '' was INSERTed into text-like columns (%s) if didn't check if the variable was set (or did not care). If they now use %a and still do not check for NULLs the '0' will be inserted which migh or might not create problems (it won't matter for if()s, but maybe for other uses?) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 04 Sep 2005 19:50:58 +0000 : killes(a)www.drop.org Cvbge: AFAIK we don't use NULL values inside the DB in Drupal core. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 04 Sep 2005 20:56:41 +0000 : Cvbge You're probably right, then 1. not checking if a variable is set is a bug (and I've already filled a bug for one of such bugs, can't find it - sticky, moderated etc. fields were not set at all when not selected when submitting a post) 2. There's already a lot of DEFAULT NULL in the database schema...

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[drupal-devel] [feature] Database Table Creation Script
by danielc 09 Sep '05

09 Sep '05

Issue status update for http://drupal.org/node/20530 Project: Drupal Version: cvs Component: base system Category: feature requests Priority: normal Assigned to: Anonymous Reported by: danielc Updated by: danielc Status: patch Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/create.php.v1.txt (11.43 KB) Attached is a PHP script that creates all of the database tables for all sites in /drupal/sites/*. It works with CVS checkouts of either HEAD or the DRUPAL-4-6 branch as of 2005-04-14 19:00 UTC. Until it gets added to CVS, you can use it by saving the latest version of the file from this page, rename it "create.php" and put it in the "/drupal/database" directory. Then either execute it from the command line or point your web browser to it. For exact usage instructions, read the documentation inside the script. danielc

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[drupal-devel] [feature] rename 'path alias' to 'custom url'
by moshe weitzman 09 Sep '05

09 Sep '05

Issue status update for http://drupal.org/node/30509 Post a follow up: http://drupal.org/project/comments/add/30509 Project: Drupal Version: cvs Component: path.module Category: feature requests Priority: normal Assigned to: moshe weitzman Reported by: moshe weitzman Updated by: moshe weitzman Status: patch (code needs review) Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/custom_url.patch (1.71 KB) i have had several people frown and ask what the heck we mean in the posting UI by 'path alias'. Once I explain, they adore the feature and suggest the alternative wording 'custom url'. So here is a patch which changes the user facing name of this feature. Admin area is unchanged and probably shouldn't be since the concept of an alias is more important there. moshe weitzman

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[drupal-devel] [task] Fix and enhance postgres and mysql support in updates.inc
by Cvbge 09 Sep '05

09 Sep '05

Issue status update for http://drupal.org/node/29082 Post a follow up: http://drupal.org/project/comments/add/29082 Project: Drupal Version: cvs Component: database system Category: tasks Priority: critical Assigned to: Cvbge Reported by: Cvbge Updated by: Cvbge Status: patch (code needs review) Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/drupal-head-db_add_column-29082_1.diff (9.16 KB) Updated patch based on http://drupal.org/node/7582 Following functions are defined: db_add_key(&$ret, $table, $column); db_drop_column(&$ret, $table, $column); db_add_primary_key(&$ret, $table, $column); db_drop_primary_key(&$ret, $table); db_add_column(&$ret, $table, $column, $type, $attributes = array()); db_change_column(&$ret, $table, $column, $column_new, $type, $attributes = array()); drupal_pg_version(); db_change_column() still need some work, the rest should work as documented. Cvbge Previous comments: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wed, 17 Aug 2005 21:25:43 +0000 : Cvbge Postgres, since 6.4, has version() function so you can check db version from SQL. This can be used in updates.inc for example for conditional dropping of the column (which is available since 7.3, not 7.4 as stated in updates.inc). I need to check how the version string is returned in different versions before making changes. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 18 Aug 2005 10:08:25 +0000 : Cvbge Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/drupal_pg_version2.diff (1.01 KB) Here's a function returning postgres db version. I'm not sure if it fits in updates.inc, maybe it should be somewhere else. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 19 Aug 2005 14:33:32 +0000 : Cvbge Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/drupal_pg_version_and_other.diff (2.76 KB) Added 2 new functions to add or change column definition. The take care about mysql/pgsql. Code not tested, will test and update old code when I hear that this has a chanse to go in ;) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 19 Aug 2005 17:03:39 +0000 : Cvbge Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/updates.inc-pgsql_fix.diff (9.97 KB) Still more work needed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:28:13 +0000 : Cvbge Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/screenshot_3.jpg (119.33 KB) With attached patch I could make all updates without errors (my LOCKs patch was needed - http://drupal.org/node/22911) There are still some issues that should be addressed (see the patch). Also mysql update is not tested - please test. There are some problems when updating from 4.6 to cvs. Maybe the update should be made by 4.6 base itself? So I've started with fresh 4.6.3. After changing the base to cvs, patching with the LOCKs patch and simple debug helper patch, on update.php?op=update I get following errors: warning: pg_query(): Query failed: ERROR: column "cache" of relation "sessions" does not exist in /var/www/dt/d/includes/database.pgsql.inc on line 71. Warning: pg_query(): Query failed: ERROR: column "referer" of relation "watchdog" does not exist in /var/www/dt/d/includes/database.pgsql.inc on line 71 Bad query: Array ( [0] => SELECT u.*, s.* FROM users u INNER JOIN sessions s ON u.uid = s.uid WHERE s.sid = 'd5b1aa940eaeab37fe690ce9cc500396' AND u.status < 3 LIMIT 1 OFFSET 0 [1] => SELECT r.rid, r.name FROM role r INNER JOIN users_roles ur ON ur.rid = r.rid WHERE ur.uid = 1 [2] => SELECT * FROM access WHERE status = 1 AND type = 'host' AND LOWER('127.0.0.1') LIKE LOWER(mask) [3] => SELECT * FROM access WHERE status = 0 AND type = 'host' AND LOWER('127.0.0.1') LIKE LOWER(mask) [4] => SELECT data, created, headers, expire FROM cache WHERE cid = 'variables' [5] => SELECT COUNT(pid) FROM url_alias [6] => SELECT name, filename, throttle, bootstrap FROM system WHERE type = 'module' AND status = 1 [7] => UPDATE sessions SET uid = 1, cache = 0, hostname = '127.0.0.1', session = 'messages|a:0:{}', timestamp = 1124545039 WHERE sid = 'd5b1aa940eaeab37fe690ce9cc500396' [8] => INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (1, 'php', 'pg_query(): Query failed: ERROR: column "cache" of relation "sessions" does not exist in /var/www/dt/d/includes/database.pgsql.inc on line 71.', 2, '', '/dt/d/update.php?op=update', 'http://localhost/dt/d/update.php', '127.0.0.1', 1124545039) ) Fatal error: ERROR: column "referer" of relation "watchdog" does not exist query: INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (1, 'php', 'pg_query(): Query failed: ERROR: column "cache" of relation "sessions" does not exist in /var/www/dt/d/includes/database.pgsql.inc on line 71.', 2, '', '/dt/d/update.php?op=update', 'http://localhost/dt/d/update.php', '127.0.0.1', 1124545039) in /var/www/dt/d/includes/database.pgsql.inc on line 94 Warning: Unknown(): A session is active. You cannot change the session module's ini settings at this time. in Unknown on line 0 As we can see the problem is that there is no cache column is session table - that's update_130. Also there's no column 'referer' in watchdog table - that's update_142. So I've commented out update_130 and 142, added the columns by hand in the db and started again from the begining. After that I got another error: warning: pg_query(): Query failed: ERROR: column "access" of relation "users" does not exist in /var/www/dt/d/includes/database.pgsql.inc on line 71. Bad query: Array ( [0] => SELECT u.*, s.* FROM users u INNER JOIN sessions s ON u.uid = s.uid WHERE s.sid = 'd5b1aa940eaeab37fe690ce9cc500396' AND u.status < 3 LIMIT 1 OFFSET 0 [1] => SELECT r.rid, r.name FROM role r INNER JOIN users_roles ur ON ur.rid = r.rid WHERE ur.uid = 1 [2] => SELECT * FROM access WHERE status = 1 AND type = 'host' AND LOWER('127.0.0.1') LIKE LOWER(mask) [3] => SELECT * FROM access WHERE status = 0 AND type = 'host' AND LOWER('127.0.0.1') LIKE LOWER(mask) [4] => SELECT data, created, headers, expire FROM cache WHERE cid = 'variables' [5] => SELECT COUNT(pid) FROM url_alias [6] => SELECT name, filename, throttle, bootstrap FROM system WHERE type = 'module' AND status = 1 [7] => UPDATE sessions SET uid = 1, cache = 0, hostname = '127.0.0.1', session = 'messages|a:0:{}', timestamp = 1124547147 WHERE sid = 'd5b1aa940eaeab37fe690ce9cc500396' [8] => UPDATE users SET access = 1124547147 WHERE uid = 1 [9] => INSERT INTO watchdog (uid, type, message, severity, link, location, referer, hostname, timestamp) VALUES (1, 'php', 'pg_query(): Query failed: ERROR: column "access" of relation "users" does not exist in /var/www/dt/d/includes/database.pgsql.inc on line 71.', 2, '', '/dt/d/update.php?op=update', 'http://localhost/dt/d/update.php', '127.0.0.1', 1124547147) ) user error: query: UPDATE users SET access = 1124547147 WHERE uid = 1 in /var/www/dt/d/includes/database.pgsql.inc on line 94. That's update_136. So, disable update_136 and do it by hand and start again. After all that, when accessing update.php?op=update I noticed no errors. After pressing Update all updates were applied without any errors. But when accessed main page I got a screen as on attached screenshot. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:32:27 +0000 : Cvbge Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/updates.inc-pgsql_fix4.diff (12.86 KB) And the mentioned patch. Critical because otherwise upgrades (at least for postgres) are impossibile. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sat, 20 Aug 2005 14:36:40 +0000 : Cvbge I need people to test mysql updates, as I changed mysql part too. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 26 Aug 2005 11:40:59 +0000 : Cvbge Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/drupal-head-db_add_column.2.diff (7.44 KB) A diffrent patch. Only adds 3 functions for adding and changing table columns, does not modifies any old updates. There are still some issues to be solved, for example: - when changing a column in mysql the PRIMARY KEY attribute is retained. In Postgres, due to the nature of changing process (i.e. dropping the column) this attribute is dropped. How to workaround it? Need to check other attributes too (e.g. NOT NULL, index etc). - add more attributes? Like primary key, key (mysql: synonim dla unique), unique, index, auto increment (mysql: must be indexed and must have a default) ? - in CHANGE when setting NOT NOLL, and DEFAULT is set, update the table to default WHERE column IS NULL ?

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[drupal-devel] [task] Improvments to Filter UI
by Bèr Kessels 09 Sep '05

09 Sep '05

Issue status update for http://drupal.org/node/27364 Post a follow up: http://drupal.org/project/comments/add/27364 Project: Drupal Version: cvs Component: filter.module Category: tasks Priority: normal Assigned to: Bèr Kessels Reported by: Bèr Kessels Updated by: Bèr Kessels Status: patch (code needs work) a heads up: I ma redoing the patch. But decided no to change the name yet. That is a too big change. IT should be in a separate issue, IMO. Bèr Kessels Previous comments: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:30:54 +0000 : Bèr Kessels This is a mockup for the Filter UI. Currently it is soo complex, that I dare to call it broken. Please comment on this, for I will not ake any patches, when the general idea is disliked. The idea is t split filters and input formats better. Filters are filters, defined in modules. Input formats are bundles of filters. This is how we have it ATM, but the interface fails to communicate that. I tried to develop a consistent (with the rest of Drupal) interfce that makes it clearer what is what. The menu is as follows: * administer ** .... ** settings *** input formats *** filters ** ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:37:10 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-formats_list1.png (16.34 KB) * administer ** .... ** settings *** input formats >> see attachement 1 *** filters ** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:39:02 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-formats_add.png (23.42 KB) * administer ** .... ** settings *** input formats >> see attachement 2, tab 2 *** filters ** Note: The default checkbox lmay seem a bit odd. But checking it will remove the "default status" from the current "default" one and make this one "default". The help text, and a drupal_set_message should explain this. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:40:08 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-formats_edit_format.png (22.17 KB) * administer ** .... ** settings *** input formats >> clicking a 'configure' link in the table of attachement 1 *** filters ** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:40:55 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-filters_list.png (36.24 KB) * administer ** .... ** settings *** input formats *** filters >> see attachement 4 ** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:41:40 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-formats_edit.png (22.63 KB) * administer ** .... ** settings *** input formats *** filters >> clicking a 'configure' link in the table of attachement 4 ** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:46:27 +0000 : Bèr Kessels IMO this makes the interface easier. But other disagree. And because it also removes one feature: (being able to use E.g. HTML in different input formats, with different settings) I'll simply wont fix this :( ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:36:12 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/filter_module_UI_consistancy.patch (10.28 KB) I decided to go for it anyway. Be it in a slightly different way then my initial mockups. The difference is that I left the filters where they are, hidden beneath the formats. So, here is the patch that makes the filter UI more consistent with screens like blocs, menus, vocabularies et al also nice to note is that: 93 lines are added, 104 are removed. So netto we have less code :) (cvs diff filter.module | grep ^+ | wc -l) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:37:02 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-formats_list_html.png (44.64 KB) Here is how the listing now looks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:37:57 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-formats_edit_format_html.png (113.71 KB) And the "configure" screen. The 'add' screen looks exactly the same, only with the default values pre-filled. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:39:19 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-formats_edit_format_too_long.png (121.82 KB) Oh, And here is a really nice example of why the current screen is no good. And here I "only" have four roles. I run a site with 12 roles, imagine this screen then! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:48:35 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/filter_module_UI_consistancy_HEAD.patch (10.24 KB) And here is a pathc for HEAD (I forgot that I developed this on a 4.6.2 codebase. Sorry) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:55:25 +0000 : stefan nagtegaal I like this very, very much! This is - indeed - much better than the current UI. This always fits, and makes the life of people who use a fixed width theme much nicer.. Ber, FYI (you probably know this too), 'admin/access' does also break fixed width themes due to the fact that it expands the width of the table when more roles are being added.. Good catch! I like it much more this way.. +1 from me... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:27:34 +0000 : Dries The code style needs work (spaces, tabs, 'as' -> 'AS'), the code comments need work, and debug statements should be removed. Screenshots look good to me. db_query('UPDATE {filter_formats} SET cache = %d, name = \'%s\', roles = \'%s\' WHERE format = %d', (int)$cache, $name, $roles, $format); can be written better/shorter quote-wise. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:04:16 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/filter_module_UI_consistancy_HEAD_0.patch (10.37 KB) Dries, thanks a lot for the review. OI fixed your comments. Or so I hope. code-style.pl was of no use (can that *please* be removed from core?) because it chokes on the help texts. It also pointed out a lot of old formatting isues, whic, when fixed wuold flood this patch with unrelated fixes. I tried to narow my style-searching to the areas I touched. And I made the comments more verbous. The query is fixed. it saves no characters, but looks better now. Thanks for the tip. The print_r..... blush. thats what I get for not running my default grep -r print_r on my code after finishing up... I could not find a lot of spaces and tabs. So it lmight be that i missed one. I triple checked it though. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:32:21 +0000 : Steven Moving the role settings inward does fix the wide-table problem, but it makes the filter configuration much more opaque. We could perhaps fix this by showing the roles as a comma-separate list in the input formats table. Such a list can wrap and will not stretch the table. Other than that: * Having the instructions for the Roles and Filters form_group() at the bottom is a bit weird. The distance is too big. * The table that was used for toggling filters on/off was much more compact before, and IMO a lot clearer. Why change to a flat list with the description staggered below each item? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:31:30 +0000 : Bèr Kessels consistancy, consistancy and more consistancy. There really is nothing worse that having a different 'concept' of UI for every thing in Drupal. We are going in the right direction, with the blocks being editable objects, menus acting like that, taxonomy, users, etc.. I wanted to make this act similar. I am not at all happy with the fact tah the list is still a form. But we need this, for setting the default. A big -1 for a comma-separate list. That is extremely hackish, even worse useabilitywise and just silly * we should avoid typing when not needed. * we should avoid errors on input, when they can be avoided (a typo is made very easy, I know all about it) Form set errors won't fix that usability -wise. I agree that you sort-of loose the overview. But IMO that is a minor loss comared to what we gain, usability-wise. The wtoo-wide was onlywhat triggered me. But do not think that I am noly making this patch to fix that issue. This patch is there to improve usability, through consistancy. o make drupal behave the same in most places in admin. If you know one screen, you know most of them. We really should move away from custom-hacks for every page, because that is useability rule #1: consistancy. Stadardisation, even if sometimes a custom hack might make things easier in that single case, it will reduce your overall usability so much that nearly ever it is worth that hack. That select-boxes instead of the table issue: consistancy. As well that it completely broke fluid CSS layouts, my solution is more consistant, and uses forms the way they are meant. If we cannot use $descritption in checkboxes they should be removed. but IMO it feels much more consistant. Tables are for tabular data, and this is simply a list of items, with additional data. And i do not really get what you mean with "too far down". Do you mean that you would like to see the order of the groups different? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:31:24 +0000 : Dries I haven't tested Ber's patch yet but looking at the screenshots, it like what I see. I remember being confused by the current filter UI, and often, I still am. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:53:26 +0000 : moshe weitzman I dislike the recent movement away from overview pages. I think we can still provide and overview while allowing editing to happen in a dedicated form. An example in the wrong direction is 'content types' admin. It is impossible to get an overview, and the listing page is worthless. I agree with Steven on this one. It is true that consistency is desirable. But consistent crap is not. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:02:39 +0000 : killes(a)www.drop.org I agree with Moshe. Getting a quick overview about what is set how is essential for an admin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:27:15 +0000 : Robrecht Jacques Overall I like the screenshots. Did not test the patch. Bèr, what I think Steven (#15) meant by "showing the roles as a comma-separate list in the input formats table" is that as an overview page it would be better if you added a list (not an input box!) to screenshot "input-formats_list1.png" (comment #1). Add a column that reads "Roles" (or "Enabled for") and then for each row a comma seperated list of the roles that can use this input format (or maybe even better a HTML list). You would still need to click "configure" to _change_ the roles. The "Default" text (not a radio button) you already show in the "Options" column is something similar: it immediately shows that this input format is the default without you having to go to the "configure" page. Why not do the same for "roles"? If this is what Steven meant, then I tend to agree with him. And to help moshe and killes: maybe you could even add a column that _lists_ the used input filters. Again, only a list, not a way to change it. That's what the "operations" column is for. A table like that will "fluid" better than what we have now, still it is a _complete_ overview of the settings. I could have misunderstand someone... I have the tendency to do that... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:21:32 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/filter_interface_improvements.patch (14.52 KB) by popular demand: a comma separated list. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:24:31 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/format_now_contains_roles.png (22.09 KB) and a screenshot ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:39:44 +0000 : Dries Please check your use of print theme('page', $output). Normally, you just return $output. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:54:28 +0000 : Bèr Kessels All instances of theme('page',...) in filter.module are now changed to return ... ; furthermore, the patch is the same. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:04:02 +0000 : Uwe Hermann Bèr, I think you forgot to attach your updated patch. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:27:39 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/filter_interface_improvements_2.patch (13.52 KB) my email client has this nice warning system for attachements. Maybe drupal should search for the word attachement too, and when no att. found give an error ;). Or maybe i should just learn to pay attention. Guess that is easier. Anyway, here it is. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 08 Sep 2005 20:22:54 +0000 : Dries I wanted to apply this patch but: 1. I can't change the default input format. 'Save'-button doesn't work. 2. I got confused by the fact I can't change the roles of the default filter. I think the form group description should explain this. 3. form_group(t(filter)) should be form_group(t('filter'), ...). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 08 Sep 2005 20:51:24 +0000 : m3avrck Found a few more issues: If I go into 'Configure' for 'PHP Code' and click the 'Configure' tab at the top and then click 'list filters' link in the text, I get this warning with PHP5 warning: Missing argument 1 for filter_admin_format() in \drupal\modules\filter.module on line 378. Also, it is sort of confusing as to what the 'List' tab implies. For example, if I click on 'input formats' in the admin menu, I get a list of the current filters. When I click 'configure' for one of those, I see the options for that filter. However, it says 'list' in one of the tab, which doesn't really mean much. I thought that was the list of filters, not the options for that filter. That should be cleaned up. Also, there is no way to get back to the full list of filters unless you click on 'input formats' in the admin menu. A setting/link to fix this would be great. Also, where is the link to add filters??? I think the options/layout/tabs should mimic of that of admin > users. So on admin > input formats, it has the tabs 'list', 'add format' ... very clear and consistent. On a configure page for a filter, it should have 'list', 'view', 'configure', 'rearrange' ... this would make it easier to navigate and get back to the original list of filters. Make sense? I think this and Dries' comments put this patch over the top :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 09 Sep 2005 01:48:55 +0000 : tag In my initial battle to figure out this module's (quite nice) functionality, what tripped me up the most was actually the nomenclature. The way I keep it straight in my head now is to translate "input format" to "filter set". If you view those (the current) screens with this in mind, I think it's a lot easier to understand what's what. It sort of describes this in the help text, but the terms "filter" and "input format" don't really convey the relationship between the two -- there's no way to intuit that an "input format" is a collection of "filters". Not to my mind at least... and well, we know nobody reads instructions... Are there any technicalities that make renaming "input format" to "filter set" not accurate? Or does someone have a better term/terms to better show the relationship of these elements? (I'm aware of filters in servlet architectures but I don't think there's much of a collision with that usage). Anyhow, I guess this doesn't quite address the UI controls and/or layout, but would still help a lot. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 09 Sep 2005 06:35:34 +0000 : Bèr Kessels I prefer filter set. In fact: I like it a lot. Anyone else ideas on this? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 09 Sep 2005 10:18:18 +0000 : Dries I too had problems with the terminology; it took me months to get used to 'input formats' versus 'filters'. Using 'filter sets' might improve the situation -- especially from an administrator's point of view when you have to wrap your head around the UI/difference. I'm not native English, but 'filter set' sounds more explanatory, yet slightly more geeky so I'm not sure if it flies for users who don't need to understand the underlying concepts (eg. under the node and comment submission forms).

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[drupal-devel] [bug] Node module is not marked "required", but is required by other required modules
by robertDouglass 09 Sep '05

09 Sep '05

Issue status update for http://drupal.org/node/21084 Post a follow up: http://drupal.org/project/comments/add/21084 Project: Drupal -Version: 4.6.0 +Version: cvs Component: node system Category: bug reports Priority: normal Assigned to: Anonymous Reported by: Thox Updated by: robertDouglass -Status: closed +Status: patch (code needs review) Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/node.module.required.txt (1.39 KB) I couldn't find the duplicate so I'm reopening this. There are 206 instances of node_list alone in the repository (core+contributions). I cycled through 50 or so of these, and none of them check for the existence of the node module. Our collective usage of the node module indicates that it is, in fact, a required module. robertDouglass Previous comments: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 22 Apr 2005 09:17:27 +0000 : Thox The "node" module isn't marked as one of the required modules, but it is used by a handful of other modules which are required. Specifically, the system and block modules both call the function node_list(), without using it through module_invoke. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:50:01 +0000 : Thox Duplicate

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[drupal-devel] [task] Improvments to Filter UI
by Dries 09 Sep '05

09 Sep '05

Issue status update for http://drupal.org/node/27364 Post a follow up: http://drupal.org/project/comments/add/27364 Project: Drupal Version: cvs Component: filter.module Category: tasks Priority: normal Assigned to: Bèr Kessels Reported by: Bèr Kessels Updated by: Dries Status: patch (code needs work) I too had problems with the terminology; it took me months to get used to 'input formats' versus 'filters'. Using 'filter sets' might improve the situation -- especially from an administrator's point of view when you have to wrap your head around the UI/difference. I'm not native English, but 'filter set' sounds more explanatory, yet slightly more geeky so I'm not sure if it flies for users who don't need to understand the underlying concepts (eg. under the node and comment submission forms). Dries Previous comments: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:30:54 +0000 : Bèr Kessels This is a mockup for the Filter UI. Currently it is soo complex, that I dare to call it broken. Please comment on this, for I will not ake any patches, when the general idea is disliked. The idea is t split filters and input formats better. Filters are filters, defined in modules. Input formats are bundles of filters. This is how we have it ATM, but the interface fails to communicate that. I tried to develop a consistent (with the rest of Drupal) interfce that makes it clearer what is what. The menu is as follows: * administer ** .... ** settings *** input formats *** filters ** ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:37:10 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-formats_list1.png (16.34 KB) * administer ** .... ** settings *** input formats >> see attachement 1 *** filters ** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:39:02 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-formats_add.png (23.42 KB) * administer ** .... ** settings *** input formats >> see attachement 2, tab 2 *** filters ** Note: The default checkbox lmay seem a bit odd. But checking it will remove the "default status" from the current "default" one and make this one "default". The help text, and a drupal_set_message should explain this. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:40:08 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-formats_edit_format.png (22.17 KB) * administer ** .... ** settings *** input formats >> clicking a 'configure' link in the table of attachement 1 *** filters ** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:40:55 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-filters_list.png (36.24 KB) * administer ** .... ** settings *** input formats *** filters >> see attachement 4 ** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:41:40 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-formats_edit.png (22.63 KB) * administer ** .... ** settings *** input formats *** filters >> clicking a 'configure' link in the table of attachement 4 ** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:46:27 +0000 : Bèr Kessels IMO this makes the interface easier. But other disagree. And because it also removes one feature: (being able to use E.g. HTML in different input formats, with different settings) I'll simply wont fix this :( ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:36:12 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/filter_module_UI_consistancy.patch (10.28 KB) I decided to go for it anyway. Be it in a slightly different way then my initial mockups. The difference is that I left the filters where they are, hidden beneath the formats. So, here is the patch that makes the filter UI more consistent with screens like blocs, menus, vocabularies et al also nice to note is that: 93 lines are added, 104 are removed. So netto we have less code :) (cvs diff filter.module | grep ^+ | wc -l) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:37:02 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-formats_list_html.png (44.64 KB) Here is how the listing now looks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:37:57 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-formats_edit_format_html.png (113.71 KB) And the "configure" screen. The 'add' screen looks exactly the same, only with the default values pre-filled. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:39:19 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-formats_edit_format_too_long.png (121.82 KB) Oh, And here is a really nice example of why the current screen is no good. And here I "only" have four roles. I run a site with 12 roles, imagine this screen then! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:48:35 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/filter_module_UI_consistancy_HEAD.patch (10.24 KB) And here is a pathc for HEAD (I forgot that I developed this on a 4.6.2 codebase. Sorry) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:55:25 +0000 : stefan nagtegaal I like this very, very much! This is - indeed - much better than the current UI. This always fits, and makes the life of people who use a fixed width theme much nicer.. Ber, FYI (you probably know this too), 'admin/access' does also break fixed width themes due to the fact that it expands the width of the table when more roles are being added.. Good catch! I like it much more this way.. +1 from me... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:27:34 +0000 : Dries The code style needs work (spaces, tabs, 'as' -> 'AS'), the code comments need work, and debug statements should be removed. Screenshots look good to me. db_query('UPDATE {filter_formats} SET cache = %d, name = \'%s\', roles = \'%s\' WHERE format = %d', (int)$cache, $name, $roles, $format); can be written better/shorter quote-wise. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:04:16 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/filter_module_UI_consistancy_HEAD_0.patch (10.37 KB) Dries, thanks a lot for the review. OI fixed your comments. Or so I hope. code-style.pl was of no use (can that *please* be removed from core?) because it chokes on the help texts. It also pointed out a lot of old formatting isues, whic, when fixed wuold flood this patch with unrelated fixes. I tried to narow my style-searching to the areas I touched. And I made the comments more verbous. The query is fixed. it saves no characters, but looks better now. Thanks for the tip. The print_r..... blush. thats what I get for not running my default grep -r print_r on my code after finishing up... I could not find a lot of spaces and tabs. So it lmight be that i missed one. I triple checked it though. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:32:21 +0000 : Steven Moving the role settings inward does fix the wide-table problem, but it makes the filter configuration much more opaque. We could perhaps fix this by showing the roles as a comma-separate list in the input formats table. Such a list can wrap and will not stretch the table. Other than that: * Having the instructions for the Roles and Filters form_group() at the bottom is a bit weird. The distance is too big. * The table that was used for toggling filters on/off was much more compact before, and IMO a lot clearer. Why change to a flat list with the description staggered below each item? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:31:30 +0000 : Bèr Kessels consistancy, consistancy and more consistancy. There really is nothing worse that having a different 'concept' of UI for every thing in Drupal. We are going in the right direction, with the blocks being editable objects, menus acting like that, taxonomy, users, etc.. I wanted to make this act similar. I am not at all happy with the fact tah the list is still a form. But we need this, for setting the default. A big -1 for a comma-separate list. That is extremely hackish, even worse useabilitywise and just silly * we should avoid typing when not needed. * we should avoid errors on input, when they can be avoided (a typo is made very easy, I know all about it) Form set errors won't fix that usability -wise. I agree that you sort-of loose the overview. But IMO that is a minor loss comared to what we gain, usability-wise. The wtoo-wide was onlywhat triggered me. But do not think that I am noly making this patch to fix that issue. This patch is there to improve usability, through consistancy. o make drupal behave the same in most places in admin. If you know one screen, you know most of them. We really should move away from custom-hacks for every page, because that is useability rule #1: consistancy. Stadardisation, even if sometimes a custom hack might make things easier in that single case, it will reduce your overall usability so much that nearly ever it is worth that hack. That select-boxes instead of the table issue: consistancy. As well that it completely broke fluid CSS layouts, my solution is more consistant, and uses forms the way they are meant. If we cannot use $descritption in checkboxes they should be removed. but IMO it feels much more consistant. Tables are for tabular data, and this is simply a list of items, with additional data. And i do not really get what you mean with "too far down". Do you mean that you would like to see the order of the groups different? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:31:24 +0000 : Dries I haven't tested Ber's patch yet but looking at the screenshots, it like what I see. I remember being confused by the current filter UI, and often, I still am. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:53:26 +0000 : moshe weitzman I dislike the recent movement away from overview pages. I think we can still provide and overview while allowing editing to happen in a dedicated form. An example in the wrong direction is 'content types' admin. It is impossible to get an overview, and the listing page is worthless. I agree with Steven on this one. It is true that consistency is desirable. But consistent crap is not. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:02:39 +0000 : killes(a)www.drop.org I agree with Moshe. Getting a quick overview about what is set how is essential for an admin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:27:15 +0000 : Robrecht Jacques Overall I like the screenshots. Did not test the patch. Bèr, what I think Steven (#15) meant by "showing the roles as a comma-separate list in the input formats table" is that as an overview page it would be better if you added a list (not an input box!) to screenshot "input-formats_list1.png" (comment #1). Add a column that reads "Roles" (or "Enabled for") and then for each row a comma seperated list of the roles that can use this input format (or maybe even better a HTML list). You would still need to click "configure" to _change_ the roles. The "Default" text (not a radio button) you already show in the "Options" column is something similar: it immediately shows that this input format is the default without you having to go to the "configure" page. Why not do the same for "roles"? If this is what Steven meant, then I tend to agree with him. And to help moshe and killes: maybe you could even add a column that _lists_ the used input filters. Again, only a list, not a way to change it. That's what the "operations" column is for. A table like that will "fluid" better than what we have now, still it is a _complete_ overview of the settings. I could have misunderstand someone... I have the tendency to do that... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:21:32 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/filter_interface_improvements.patch (14.52 KB) by popular demand: a comma separated list. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:24:31 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/format_now_contains_roles.png (22.09 KB) and a screenshot ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:39:44 +0000 : Dries Please check your use of print theme('page', $output). Normally, you just return $output. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:54:28 +0000 : Bèr Kessels All instances of theme('page',...) in filter.module are now changed to return ... ; furthermore, the patch is the same. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:04:02 +0000 : Uwe Hermann Bèr, I think you forgot to attach your updated patch. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:27:39 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/filter_interface_improvements_2.patch (13.52 KB) my email client has this nice warning system for attachements. Maybe drupal should search for the word attachement too, and when no att. found give an error ;). Or maybe i should just learn to pay attention. Guess that is easier. Anyway, here it is. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 08 Sep 2005 20:22:54 +0000 : Dries I wanted to apply this patch but: 1. I can't change the default input format. 'Save'-button doesn't work. 2. I got confused by the fact I can't change the roles of the default filter. I think the form group description should explain this. 3. form_group(t(filter)) should be form_group(t('filter'), ...). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 08 Sep 2005 20:51:24 +0000 : m3avrck Found a few more issues: If I go into 'Configure' for 'PHP Code' and click the 'Configure' tab at the top and then click 'list filters' link in the text, I get this warning with PHP5 warning: Missing argument 1 for filter_admin_format() in \drupal\modules\filter.module on line 378. Also, it is sort of confusing as to what the 'List' tab implies. For example, if I click on 'input formats' in the admin menu, I get a list of the current filters. When I click 'configure' for one of those, I see the options for that filter. However, it says 'list' in one of the tab, which doesn't really mean much. I thought that was the list of filters, not the options for that filter. That should be cleaned up. Also, there is no way to get back to the full list of filters unless you click on 'input formats' in the admin menu. A setting/link to fix this would be great. Also, where is the link to add filters??? I think the options/layout/tabs should mimic of that of admin > users. So on admin > input formats, it has the tabs 'list', 'add format' ... very clear and consistent. On a configure page for a filter, it should have 'list', 'view', 'configure', 'rearrange' ... this would make it easier to navigate and get back to the original list of filters. Make sense? I think this and Dries' comments put this patch over the top :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 09 Sep 2005 01:48:55 +0000 : tag In my initial battle to figure out this module's (quite nice) functionality, what tripped me up the most was actually the nomenclature. The way I keep it straight in my head now is to translate "input format" to "filter set". If you view those (the current) screens with this in mind, I think it's a lot easier to understand what's what. It sort of describes this in the help text, but the terms "filter" and "input format" don't really convey the relationship between the two -- there's no way to intuit that an "input format" is a collection of "filters". Not to my mind at least... and well, we know nobody reads instructions... Are there any technicalities that make renaming "input format" to "filter set" not accurate? Or does someone have a better term/terms to better show the relationship of these elements? (I'm aware of filters in servlet architectures but I don't think there's much of a collision with that usage). Anyhow, I guess this doesn't quite address the UI controls and/or layout, but would still help a lot. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 09 Sep 2005 06:35:34 +0000 : Bèr Kessels I prefer filter set. In fact: I like it a lot. Anyone else ideas on this?

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[drupal-devel] [task] Improvments to Filter UI
by Bèr Kessels 09 Sep '05

09 Sep '05

Issue status update for http://drupal.org/node/27364 Post a follow up: http://drupal.org/project/comments/add/27364 Project: Drupal Version: cvs Component: filter.module Category: tasks Priority: normal Assigned to: Bèr Kessels Reported by: Bèr Kessels Updated by: Bèr Kessels Status: patch (code needs work) I prefer filter set. In fact: I like it a lot. Anyone else ideas on this? Bèr Kessels Previous comments: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:30:54 +0000 : Bèr Kessels This is a mockup for the Filter UI. Currently it is soo complex, that I dare to call it broken. Please comment on this, for I will not ake any patches, when the general idea is disliked. The idea is t split filters and input formats better. Filters are filters, defined in modules. Input formats are bundles of filters. This is how we have it ATM, but the interface fails to communicate that. I tried to develop a consistent (with the rest of Drupal) interfce that makes it clearer what is what. The menu is as follows: * administer ** .... ** settings *** input formats *** filters ** ... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:37:10 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-formats_list1.png (16.34 KB) * administer ** .... ** settings *** input formats >> see attachement 1 *** filters ** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:39:02 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-formats_add.png (23.42 KB) * administer ** .... ** settings *** input formats >> see attachement 2, tab 2 *** filters ** Note: The default checkbox lmay seem a bit odd. But checking it will remove the "default status" from the current "default" one and make this one "default". The help text, and a drupal_set_message should explain this. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:40:08 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-formats_edit_format.png (22.17 KB) * administer ** .... ** settings *** input formats >> clicking a 'configure' link in the table of attachement 1 *** filters ** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:40:55 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-filters_list.png (36.24 KB) * administer ** .... ** settings *** input formats *** filters >> see attachement 4 ** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sun, 24 Jul 2005 09:41:40 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-formats_edit.png (22.63 KB) * administer ** .... ** settings *** input formats *** filters >> clicking a 'configure' link in the table of attachement 4 ** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 25 Jul 2005 14:46:27 +0000 : Bèr Kessels IMO this makes the interface easier. But other disagree. And because it also removes one feature: (being able to use E.g. HTML in different input formats, with different settings) I'll simply wont fix this :( ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:36:12 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/filter_module_UI_consistancy.patch (10.28 KB) I decided to go for it anyway. Be it in a slightly different way then my initial mockups. The difference is that I left the filters where they are, hidden beneath the formats. So, here is the patch that makes the filter UI more consistent with screens like blocs, menus, vocabularies et al also nice to note is that: 93 lines are added, 104 are removed. So netto we have less code :) (cvs diff filter.module | grep ^+ | wc -l) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:37:02 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-formats_list_html.png (44.64 KB) Here is how the listing now looks. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:37:57 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-formats_edit_format_html.png (113.71 KB) And the "configure" screen. The 'add' screen looks exactly the same, only with the default values pre-filled. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:39:19 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/input-formats_edit_format_too_long.png (121.82 KB) Oh, And here is a really nice example of why the current screen is no good. And here I "only" have four roles. I run a site with 12 roles, imagine this screen then! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:48:35 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/filter_module_UI_consistancy_HEAD.patch (10.24 KB) And here is a pathc for HEAD (I forgot that I developed this on a 4.6.2 codebase. Sorry) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 28 Jul 2005 13:55:25 +0000 : stefan nagtegaal I like this very, very much! This is - indeed - much better than the current UI. This always fits, and makes the life of people who use a fixed width theme much nicer.. Ber, FYI (you probably know this too), 'admin/access' does also break fixed width themes due to the fact that it expands the width of the table when more roles are being added.. Good catch! I like it much more this way.. +1 from me... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:27:34 +0000 : Dries The code style needs work (spaces, tabs, 'as' -> 'AS'), the code comments need work, and debug statements should be removed. Screenshots look good to me. db_query('UPDATE {filter_formats} SET cache = %d, name = \'%s\', roles = \'%s\' WHERE format = %d', (int)$cache, $name, $roles, $format); can be written better/shorter quote-wise. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:04:16 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/filter_module_UI_consistancy_HEAD_0.patch (10.37 KB) Dries, thanks a lot for the review. OI fixed your comments. Or so I hope. code-style.pl was of no use (can that *please* be removed from core?) because it chokes on the help texts. It also pointed out a lot of old formatting isues, whic, when fixed wuold flood this patch with unrelated fixes. I tried to narow my style-searching to the areas I touched. And I made the comments more verbous. The query is fixed. it saves no characters, but looks better now. Thanks for the tip. The print_r..... blush. thats what I get for not running my default grep -r print_r on my code after finishing up... I could not find a lot of spaces and tabs. So it lmight be that i missed one. I triple checked it though. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:32:21 +0000 : Steven Moving the role settings inward does fix the wide-table problem, but it makes the filter configuration much more opaque. We could perhaps fix this by showing the roles as a comma-separate list in the input formats table. Such a list can wrap and will not stretch the table. Other than that: * Having the instructions for the Roles and Filters form_group() at the bottom is a bit weird. The distance is too big. * The table that was used for toggling filters on/off was much more compact before, and IMO a lot clearer. Why change to a flat list with the description staggered below each item? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 29 Jul 2005 10:31:30 +0000 : Bèr Kessels consistancy, consistancy and more consistancy. There really is nothing worse that having a different 'concept' of UI for every thing in Drupal. We are going in the right direction, with the blocks being editable objects, menus acting like that, taxonomy, users, etc.. I wanted to make this act similar. I am not at all happy with the fact tah the list is still a form. But we need this, for setting the default. A big -1 for a comma-separate list. That is extremely hackish, even worse useabilitywise and just silly * we should avoid typing when not needed. * we should avoid errors on input, when they can be avoided (a typo is made very easy, I know all about it) Form set errors won't fix that usability -wise. I agree that you sort-of loose the overview. But IMO that is a minor loss comared to what we gain, usability-wise. The wtoo-wide was onlywhat triggered me. But do not think that I am noly making this patch to fix that issue. This patch is there to improve usability, through consistancy. o make drupal behave the same in most places in admin. If you know one screen, you know most of them. We really should move away from custom-hacks for every page, because that is useability rule #1: consistancy. Stadardisation, even if sometimes a custom hack might make things easier in that single case, it will reduce your overall usability so much that nearly ever it is worth that hack. That select-boxes instead of the table issue: consistancy. As well that it completely broke fluid CSS layouts, my solution is more consistant, and uses forms the way they are meant. If we cannot use $descritption in checkboxes they should be removed. but IMO it feels much more consistant. Tables are for tabular data, and this is simply a list of items, with additional data. And i do not really get what you mean with "too far down". Do you mean that you would like to see the order of the groups different? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 29 Jul 2005 13:31:24 +0000 : Dries I haven't tested Ber's patch yet but looking at the screenshots, it like what I see. I remember being confused by the current filter UI, and often, I still am. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 29 Jul 2005 19:53:26 +0000 : moshe weitzman I dislike the recent movement away from overview pages. I think we can still provide and overview while allowing editing to happen in a dedicated form. An example in the wrong direction is 'content types' admin. It is impossible to get an overview, and the listing page is worthless. I agree with Steven on this one. It is true that consistency is desirable. But consistent crap is not. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:02:39 +0000 : killes(a)www.drop.org I agree with Moshe. Getting a quick overview about what is set how is essential for an admin. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sat, 30 Jul 2005 00:27:15 +0000 : Robrecht Jacques Overall I like the screenshots. Did not test the patch. Bèr, what I think Steven (#15) meant by "showing the roles as a comma-separate list in the input formats table" is that as an overview page it would be better if you added a list (not an input box!) to screenshot "input-formats_list1.png" (comment #1). Add a column that reads "Roles" (or "Enabled for") and then for each row a comma seperated list of the roles that can use this input format (or maybe even better a HTML list). You would still need to click "configure" to _change_ the roles. The "Default" text (not a radio button) you already show in the "Options" column is something similar: it immediately shows that this input format is the default without you having to go to the "configure" page. Why not do the same for "roles"? If this is what Steven meant, then I tend to agree with him. And to help moshe and killes: maybe you could even add a column that _lists_ the used input filters. Again, only a list, not a way to change it. That's what the "operations" column is for. A table like that will "fluid" better than what we have now, still it is a _complete_ overview of the settings. I could have misunderstand someone... I have the tendency to do that... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:21:32 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/filter_interface_improvements.patch (14.52 KB) by popular demand: a comma separated list. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 22 Aug 2005 08:24:31 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/format_now_contains_roles.png (22.09 KB) and a screenshot ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 22 Aug 2005 18:39:44 +0000 : Dries Please check your use of print theme('page', $output). Normally, you just return $output. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:54:28 +0000 : Bèr Kessels All instances of theme('page',...) in filter.module are now changed to return ... ; furthermore, the patch is the same. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:04:02 +0000 : Uwe Hermann Bèr, I think you forgot to attach your updated patch. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:27:39 +0000 : Bèr Kessels Attachment: http://drupal.org/files/issues/filter_interface_improvements_2.patch (13.52 KB) my email client has this nice warning system for attachements. Maybe drupal should search for the word attachement too, and when no att. found give an error ;). Or maybe i should just learn to pay attention. Guess that is easier. Anyway, here it is. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 08 Sep 2005 20:22:54 +0000 : Dries I wanted to apply this patch but: 1. I can't change the default input format. 'Save'-button doesn't work. 2. I got confused by the fact I can't change the roles of the default filter. I think the form group description should explain this. 3. form_group(t(filter)) should be form_group(t('filter'), ...). ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thu, 08 Sep 2005 20:51:24 +0000 : m3avrck Found a few more issues: If I go into 'Configure' for 'PHP Code' and click the 'Configure' tab at the top and then click 'list filters' link in the text, I get this warning with PHP5 warning: Missing argument 1 for filter_admin_format() in \drupal\modules\filter.module on line 378. Also, it is sort of confusing as to what the 'List' tab implies. For example, if I click on 'input formats' in the admin menu, I get a list of the current filters. When I click 'configure' for one of those, I see the options for that filter. However, it says 'list' in one of the tab, which doesn't really mean much. I thought that was the list of filters, not the options for that filter. That should be cleaned up. Also, there is no way to get back to the full list of filters unless you click on 'input formats' in the admin menu. A setting/link to fix this would be great. Also, where is the link to add filters??? I think the options/layout/tabs should mimic of that of admin > users. So on admin > input formats, it has the tabs 'list', 'add format' ... very clear and consistent. On a configure page for a filter, it should have 'list', 'view', 'configure', 'rearrange' ... this would make it easier to navigate and get back to the original list of filters. Make sense? I think this and Dries' comments put this patch over the top :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fri, 09 Sep 2005 01:48:55 +0000 : tag In my initial battle to figure out this module's (quite nice) functionality, what tripped me up the most was actually the nomenclature. The way I keep it straight in my head now is to translate "input format" to "filter set". If you view those (the current) screens with this in mind, I think it's a lot easier to understand what's what. It sort of describes this in the help text, but the terms "filter" and "input format" don't really convey the relationship between the two -- there's no way to intuit that an "input format" is a collection of "filters". Not to my mind at least... and well, we know nobody reads instructions... Are there any technicalities that make renaming "input format" to "filter set" not accurate? Or does someone have a better term/terms to better show the relationship of these elements? (I'm aware of filters in servlet architectures but I don't think there's much of a collision with that usage). Anyhow, I guess this doesn't quite address the UI controls and/or layout, but would still help a lot.

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