November 2005 - Development - lists.drupal.org

Support status of Drupal 4.5
by Richard Archer 28 Nov '05

28 Nov '05

What is the support status of Drupal 4.5.5? There are some bugs/patches in the tracker for menu that probably cause problems for the 4.5 series. These aren't security-related problems, just plain old bugs. Should I roll patches against the 4.5 branch? Or just 4.6 and HEAD? ...R.

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Extending simpletest.module: testing queries
by Tim Altman 27 Nov '05

27 Nov '05

Greetings: I looked at simpletest.module this morning and I think there's an important test functionality missing: testing how functions handle database queries. For example, if I want to test various aspects of upload_total_space_used() (it outputs the total disk space used by uploaded files), I have to first make sure there is data in the table. If there isn't, my test won't work. Thus, I'd like to propose a way that simpletest.module can interact with the database in a non-destructive way. I think the easiest way to do so is for simpletest.module to create the tables being tested itself with a prefix (such as 'simpletest_'). There is potential for damage to the database tables if your code doesn't use the table prefixing characters ("{" and "}") correctly, but that should be minimal since table prefixes are needed anyway. Simpletest.module would implement a DB function called 'simpletest_query' which works similar to 'db_query'. Following the normal table prefix defined in settings.php, simpletest_query would add 'simpletest_' to table names. Thus, if a table prefix 'prefix_' was defined, the 'files' table would become 'prefix_simpletest_files'. Each test would need to first create needed tables (perhaps via 'simpletest_prime_table', which would create a table via the definition in database.* or copy the current table structure and data from the DB) and add in some test data, if needed. When the test completes, simpletest.module would drop the table it created, leaving the database as prestine as before the test had run. Comments? -- Tim Altman

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Re: [development] bzr battle plan
by John Cox 27 Nov '05

27 Nov '05

On 11/26/05, Richard Archer <drupal.org(a)juggernaut.com.au> wrote: > > I don't suppose there's any chance of Marcel having a > look at bzr and updating that page? I don't believe so, we narrowed our list down pretty quickly and went from there. -- John Cox http://www.wyome.com http://www.xaraya.com

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27 Nov '05

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Another translation module
by Rob Ellis 26 Nov '05

26 Nov '05

I just added yet another content translation module to CVS: contributions/modules/tr Apologies about the name, but 'translation' is already taken, and I couldn't think of something short-but-meaningful to use instead... 'tr' was used for development, so I just left it as that. The module is a recent complete rewrite of something that was developed early this year for the Canadian New Democratic Party web site (www.ndp.ca) At the time, we had requirements that the existing i18n module didn't meet, and I wasn't aware of the contributed 'translation' module. The 'tr' module in it's current incarnation is being used by my former employer for several sites, in french and english, english and inuktitut, and french and english and inuktitut... They're finding it useful. Some features are: - content switching based on language - language switching based on hostname or url-path-prefix or ?l=xx - per node 'translate' links for untranslated content - per language 'edit' links for existing translations - generated translation links for use in templates - custom 404 page for missing translations (optional -- will show untranslated content otherwise) - admin node list filtered by language or "untranslated" - translated taxonomy term names - translated menu item titles It's a little sketchy in places, and it requires patches to the Drupal core, but small ones. The patches at the moment are for DRUPAL-4-6-3. At least it might be interesting for people working on similar content translation schemes, and some people might find it useful as is. I'm not sure about how to tag this initial import -- since the patches are for DRUPAL-4-6-3, I thought branching it for 4.6.3 would be the thing to do, but I'm not sure. Help, comments would be appreciated. Thanks. - Rob -- Rob Ellis <rob(a)web.ca>

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Release critical bugs for November 26, 2005
by drupal-devel＠drupal.org 26 Nov '05

26 Nov '05

/ bug reports Article tag repeating age: 1 week 5 days url: http://drupal.org/node/37544 PHP 4.4.1 breaks Article Categories list age: 3 weeks 1 day url: http://drupal.org/node/36245 / bug reports XML Parsing Error age: 3 weeks 4 days url: http://drupal.org/node/35872 / bug reports email spam filtering does not "see" email addresses when they are NOT preceded by a word age: 44 weeks 6 days url: http://drupal.org/node/15654 / bug reports No check for loading chatbox with other name age: 5 days 3 min url: http://drupal.org/node/38397 / bug reports broken config screen age: 2 weeks 3 days url: http://drupal.org/node/36949 / bug reports {cache}.data should be a longblob instead of a longtext age: 1 day 7 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/38804 4.7 CVS updates.inc inconsistent age: 4 days 6 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/38484 PHP 5.0.5 passed by reference error. age: 4 days 21 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/38409 upgrade fails badly in CVS version age: 5 days 1 hour url: http://drupal.org/node/38387 Not Work rss feed assigned: Kiev1.org age: 6 days 20 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/38222 cache problems - drupal always shows outdated page age: 6 days 21 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/38213 Use of array_merge() and book_admin_edit_book() not working age: 1 week 2 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/38196 Duplicate values for insert with multiple taxonomy select (new form API) age: 1 week 3 days url: http://drupal.org/node/37829 Allow non-workflow form elements on the node type settings page assigned: drumm age: 1 week 3 days url: http://drupal.org/node/37798 Clean URLs not working properly with Firefox and Opera! age: 1 week 3 days url: http://drupal.org/node/37794 if you edit a page with activated "moderation queue" the node gets completely hidden age: 1 week 4 days url: http://drupal.org/node/37613 Unable to delete multiple nodes age: 1 week 5 days url: http://drupal.org/node/37547 New Forms API bug with "date" type form field (in profile.module) age: 1 week 5 days url: http://drupal.org/node/37494 File uploading is broken by patch #36791 age: 1 week 5 days url: http://drupal.org/node/37452 Apply "Request New Password Security" to 4.6.x branch age: 1 week 6 days url: http://drupal.org/node/37440 Theme settings assigned: pofe(a)drupal.hu age: 2 weeks 1 day url: http://drupal.org/node/37160 Uploads don't go away assigned: Souvent22 age: 2 weeks 3 days url: http://drupal.org/node/36875 not work hook eg. fckeditor_textarea ($op, $name) ? assigned: Kiev1.org age: 2 weeks 4 days url: http://drupal.org/node/36816 It is possible to delete uid=1 age: 2 weeks 4 days url: http://drupal.org/node/36701 Postgres 4.5.4 to 4.5.5 upgrade makes user system break. age: 2 weeks 5 days url: http://drupal.org/node/36670 Right blocks pushed beyond the header boundary age: 2 weeks 5 days url: http://drupal.org/node/36637 >From validation won't work for user's on some ISP's age: 2 weeks 5 days url: http://drupal.org/node/36591 Random "access denied" and logouts age: 3 weeks 18 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/36386 Profile.module accepts, but does not display, user input age: 3 weeks 19 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/36381 expecting `T_STRING' or `T_VARIABLE' or `T_NUM_STRING' age: 3 weeks 2 days url: http://drupal.org/node/36159 Form API missing textarea hook age: 4 weeks 20 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/35594 update makes me loose all my themes and blocks and so. age: 4 weeks 23 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/35577 Profile_values random overwritten age: 4 weeks 1 day url: http://drupal.org/node/35555 IE allocates memory until it crashes age: 4 weeks 2 days url: http://drupal.org/node/35368 $status is not returned when the vocabulary 'Forums' is being made age: 4 weeks 4 days url: http://drupal.org/node/35177 Duplicate entries in aggregator age: 4 weeks 5 days url: http://drupal.org/node/35048 Changing theme in cvs PHP5 is not working age: 4 weeks 5 days url: http://drupal.org/node/34991 Error when using the 'Vote' button to vote at a poll age: 4 weeks 6 days url: http://drupal.org/node/34921 Search results don't include last part of longer pages age: 5 weeks 16 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/34826 Cron Search Executes PHP pages - Node Range Lost Permanently in Search age: 5 weeks 1 day url: http://drupal.org/node/34768 Can't save admin settings - "directory does not exist" age: 5 weeks 2 days url: http://drupal.org/node/34646 Permissions Too Prohibitive on Install age: 5 weeks 3 days url: http://drupal.org/node/34502 upload module and space in filenames age: 5 weeks 3 days url: http://drupal.org/node/34497 Problem with nodes when upgrading 4.6.3 ->4.7 age: 5 weeks 5 days url: http://drupal.org/node/34342 Theme settings not saved since Forms API assigned: chx age: 6 weeks 2 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/34170 overzealous file_check_directory for file_directory_path age: 6 weeks 3 days url: http://drupal.org/node/33771 Pictures (avatars) don't display age: 6 weeks 4 days url: http://drupal.org/node/33699 No checking/catching for unique database columns assigned: cyrific age: 6 weeks 6 days url: http://drupal.org/node/33478 Bug in node_load call in statistics_node_tracker age: 9 weeks 19 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/32040 Upload broken in IE age: 9 weeks 1 day url: http://drupal.org/node/31968 Comment options: broken. age: 9 weeks 4 days url: http://drupal.org/node/31641 Node update hooks are getting stale data and can't save. age: 9 weeks 6 days url: http://drupal.org/node/31495 Translation/localization import bug (Drupal 4.6.3, Fedora 4) age: 10 weeks 1 day url: http://drupal.org/node/31364 When removing a revision, the associated files are not removed. assigned: killes(a)www.drop.org age: 10 weeks 1 day url: http://drupal.org/node/31355 Delete filter format fails age: 11 weeks 23 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/30781 Submit button needs double-press when menu options dropped-down age: 12 weeks 3 days url: http://drupal.org/node/30097 update.php is broken when drupal is installed in subdirectory age: 12 weeks 3 days url: http://drupal.org/node/30075 system_settings_save() bypasses access_control age: 13 weeks 1 day url: http://drupal.org/node/29680 files table needs a "module" column age: 13 weeks 6 days url: http://drupal.org/node/29297 logo uploads still broken...? can't replace default logo with new drupal 4.6.3 tar ball? age: 14 weeks 19 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/29221 Error when anonymous user creates content age: 14 weeks 3 days url: http://drupal.org/node/29032 Reset user mail variables. age: 14 weeks 5 days url: http://drupal.org/node/28868 Free Tagging broken on forums age: 15 weeks 3 days url: http://drupal.org/node/28607 js addLoadEvent not working. age: 16 weeks 6 days url: http://drupal.org/node/27884 enable MySQL client side for UTF8 age: 18 weeks 4 days url: http://drupal.org/node/26990 Drupal 4.6.2 Doesn't allow login (IIS 5.1, PHP 5.0.4) assigned: bigeye age: 19 weeks 22 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/26780 use upload_tmp_dir as default for FILE_DIRECTORY_TEMP age: 20 weeks 6 days url: http://drupal.org/node/26249 postgresql autocomplete code age: 21 weeks 2 days url: http://drupal.org/node/26027 Accidentally Deleting Forums Vocabulary in Categories Breaks Forums? age: 25 weeks 13 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/24274 Getting term node counts fails without "Administer Nodes" permission also fails witch MySQL age: 25 weeks 3 days url: http://drupal.org/node/24015 Mysql Password with special symbols assigned: zignit age: 29 weeks 6 days url: http://drupal.org/node/21719 4.6 aggregator showing/not interpreting HTML tags age: 33 weeks 6 days url: http://drupal.org/node/19874 New submit error, non-admin user, postgresql database assigned: adrian age: 37 weeks 3 days url: http://drupal.org/node/18552 user redirected to homepage when logging in age: 38 weeks 21 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/18381 Cache should store BINARY data as a BLOB and not as text age: 41 weeks 3 days url: http://drupal.org/node/16998 Change to sesssion.inc violates UID database constraint age: 44 weeks 6 days url: http://drupal.org/node/15666 forum.module problem with postgresql v7.4.1 age: 45 weeks 4 days url: http://drupal.org/node/15411 Argument NOT must be type boolean age: 1 year 1 week url: http://drupal.org/node/12950 user error: Duplicate entry assigned: Kjartan age: 1 year 51 weeks url: http://drupal.org/node/4428 / feature requests Profile fields should be controlled by roles age: 3 weeks 6 days url: http://drupal.org/node/35693 Module Access Control age: 4 weeks 1 day url: http://drupal.org/node/35459 Customizable module blocks age: 5 weeks 3 days url: http://drupal.org/node/34563 Filter the title to allow HTML comments age: 18 weeks 1 day url: http://drupal.org/node/27205 No obvious way to tell which release a site is running assigned: Uwe Hermann age: 32 weeks 2 days url: http://drupal.org/node/20439 moving pages en masse age: 34 weeks 2 days url: http://drupal.org/node/19754 Taxonomy module should use nodeapi 'load' age: 37 weeks 2 days url: http://drupal.org/node/18631 Auto PHP memory maximisation age: 39 weeks 4 days url: http://drupal.org/node/17663 Allow named anchors to work without specifying full path to node age: 2 years 6 days url: http://drupal.org/node/4213 / support requests Loop Requests age: 1 week 19 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/38124 Automatically assign taxonomy to Forum, Container or Forum Topic? age: 1 week 2 days url: http://drupal.org/node/37893 user logins failing - cry for help age: 4 weeks 4 days url: http://drupal.org/node/35104 Password error when changing user role age: 4 weeks 6 days url: http://drupal.org/node/34933 / bug reports event_add_item - no such function found in the source. age: 1 week 14 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/38151 / feature requests Events only for registered users age: 5 weeks 2 days url: http://drupal.org/node/34640 / support requests displaying event start info in flexinode tabular view? age: 7 weeks 4 days url: http://drupal.org/node/33019 Event block missing content of many fields age: 9 weeks 6 days url: http://drupal.org/node/31532 / bug reports file size bug age: 24 weeks 1 day url: http://drupal.org/node/24728 / bug reports problem viewing newly added photos in embedded gallery. age: 5 days 13 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/38352 problem viewing newly added photos in embedded gallery. assigned: trobison age: 5 days 13 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/38351 Search results give incorrect links age: 6 weeks 6 days url: http://drupal.org/node/33539 Full screen slideshow in Gallery module is not working (erroring out on the wrong URL) age: 20 weeks 2 days url: http://drupal.org/node/26479 / support requests import existing gallery2 user account age: 3 weeks 4 days url: http://drupal.org/node/35920 / feature requests Goofy Forum UI age: 8 weeks 4 days url: http://drupal.org/node/32294 / bug reports Incorrect variable generated and other errors destroying Javascript age: 3 days 16 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/38565 / bug reports imagemagick.inc file does not contain the function... age: 1 week 6 days url: http://drupal.org/node/37372 Error when Submitting New Image Node age: 1 week 6 days url: http://drupal.org/node/37366 only variables can be passed by reference on line 713 age: 3 weeks 2 days url: http://drupal.org/node/36092 image.module 4.6.0 strange actions age: 7 weeks 1 day url: http://drupal.org/node/33292 File copy failed: source file does not exist error after running update-image.php age: 9 weeks 3 days url: http://drupal.org/node/31816 Path for image folder not inserted correctly when nodetype = image age: 12 weeks 3 days url: http://drupal.org/node/30031 image module patch & image_import module age: 13 weeks 5 days url: http://drupal.org/node/29377 image module fails on dual site configuration age: 19 weeks 2 days url: http://drupal.org/node/26657 Cannot upload .jpgs age: 38 weeks 5 days url: http://drupal.org/node/18076 / feature requests Copying original age: 3 weeks 1 day url: http://drupal.org/node/36321 Image deletions? age: 11 weeks 3 days url: http://drupal.org/node/30557 / support requests Image Folder Permissions age: 5 weeks 14 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/34839 Images are there but not showing assigned: Stepfordtwit age: 17 weeks 2 days url: http://drupal.org/node/27615 Image Module Permissions age: 20 weeks 6 days url: http://drupal.org/node/26280 / bug reports Listhandler caused error in "comment.module on line 996" ? age: 3 weeks 1 day url: http://drupal.org/node/36244 Prefix column error for SQL in Listhandler admin!! age: 7 weeks 4 days url: http://drupal.org/node/33017 / tasks Correct/Complete Documentation age: 4 weeks 6 days url: http://drupal.org/node/34909 / bug reports missing promote column assigned: Bèr Kessels age: 1 day 1 hour url: http://drupal.org/node/38836 Naming issues with files and DB tables age: 5 weeks 5 days url: http://drupal.org/node/34298 RSS "no element found at line 1" age: 21 weeks 20 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/26185 Outdated help texts age: 1 year 16 weeks url: http://drupal.org/node/9692 Import doesn't like XML/RSS feeds with no Title element age: 1 year 25 weeks url: http://drupal.org/node/8128 / tasks move XML-parser into an inclde file. age: 22 weeks 4 days url: http://drupal.org/node/25439 / feature requests Notify.module ignores the true submission queue age: 2 years 4 weeks url: http://drupal.org/node/3765 / bug reports Login as an alias gets cached age: 9 weeks 4 days url: http://drupal.org/node/31699 / bug reports support dynamic content? age: 1 week 7 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/38181 please explain html2fpdf age: 1 week 3 days url: http://drupal.org/node/37748 Management of french charaters age: 2 weeks 5 days url: http://drupal.org/node/36605 / feature requests Internationalization support for PDF assigned: TheLibrarian age: 1 year 34 weeks url: http://drupal.org/node/6795 / bug reports privatemsg not working with current head age: 10 weeks 1 hour url: http://drupal.org/node/31469 Reminder email links don't work age: 22 weeks 1 day url: http://drupal.org/node/25677 / feature requests Simplified Chinese translations age: 1 week 5 days url: http://drupal.org/node/37505 / bug reports Issues from multiple projects listed on a single issue's page age: 2 days 13 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/38704 Pass by reference error in PHP 5.0.5 age: 2 weeks 3 days url: http://drupal.org/node/36866 Get disconnected from server on attempting to add an issue age: 3 weeks 2 days url: http://drupal.org/node/36124 can't select all projects age: 7 weeks 1 day url: http://drupal.org/node/33262 Can't update issue title from issue comment assigned: nedjo age: 7 weeks 5 days url: http://drupal.org/node/32843 Projects not listed and page not complete age: 25 weeks 4 days url: http://drupal.org/node/23956 Date for latest is incorrect age: 32 weeks 2 days url: http://drupal.org/node/20485 / feature requests Search by Version age: 1 week 20 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/38122 Assign Anyone age: 1 week 23 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/38107 Allow subscription to individual project issues age: 5 weeks 3 days url: http://drupal.org/node/34496 Implement XML-RPC functionlality for communication between drupal.org and Drupal installations age: 6 weeks 20 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/34108 / support requests Add the project release manually without the scan feature age: 5 weeks 3 days url: http://drupal.org/node/34500 / bug reports Error with URL to recipe age: 12 weeks 5 days url: http://drupal.org/node/29885 / feature requests Request to generate email for all content changes/additions, including comments age: 19 weeks 2 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/26824 / bug reports Wrong URL mask age: 4 weeks 3 days url: http://drupal.org/node/35215 / bug reports Does not work correctly in Internet Explorer age: 7 weeks 1 day url: http://drupal.org/node/33354 Blocks switch and reset when vocabs are modified age: 28 weeks 2 days url: http://drupal.org/node/22631 javascrip downloads square.gif for every category age: 40 weeks 4 days url: http://drupal.org/node/17366 / feature requests A unique page for each category group? age: 5 weeks 2 days url: http://drupal.org/node/34610 / support requests Taxonomy has dissapeared age: 7 weeks 3 days url: http://drupal.org/node/33061 / bug reports Sends trackbacks for unpublished nodes assigned: ankur age: 43 weeks 2 days url: http://drupal.org/node/16239 / feature requests A small but effective improvement to Improvement of admin/user accessability suggestion age: 6 weeks 1 day url: http://drupal.org/node/34073 / support requests Acess denied to login Newly installed and upgraded site that I need up and running A.S.A.P assigned: Johnny age: 6 days 19 hours url: http://drupal.org/node/38227 / bug reports Resolution appears to be in the cvs version of the linkattach module assigned: hintbw age: 5 weeks 1 day url: http://drupal.org/node/34765

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Re: One core, many distributions
by Ken Rickard 25 Nov '05

25 Nov '05

>The other people you mention are just some users. Yes, users. They use >Drupal in one of the many ways it can be used. Then there are those of use who are users, who have solved a ton of problems with the platform and are now trying to figure out how to give back. If you track my history on the site, you'll see that I'm trying to find that balance between needy user and helpful contributor. Sometimes, all I can offer are bug reports. Eventually, I will learn how to CVS my theme :-). And then, maybe more. Drupal, btw, has really encouraged me to broaden my code skills precisely because the core code (and team) have, as I always say, done 70% of my work for me already. So I can concentrate on my business and personal needs. Now I'm also ready to give back -- see the aborted thread on Usability Testing from last week. So maybe I count for 0.1 of a dev. :-) - ken drupal: agentken gmail: agentrickard (digest mode, sorry)

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Bugs to fix before 4.7rc
by piotr＠mallorn.ii.uj.edu.pl 25 Nov '05

25 Nov '05

Hello. My list: - cache bug, of course (http://drupal.org/node/10407) - taxonomy bug (http://drupal.org/node/35125) Besides that, there's still a problem with $db_url. Despite documentation it does not support special characters in username or password. It can be fixed without breaking existing setups by introducing new, parallell configuration option, e.g. $db_config. If this variable is configured then we use new method x that supports special characters. If it's not, we still use $db_url and old method. -- Piotrek irc: #debian.pl Mors Drosophilis melanogastribus!

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fAPI question from an ignorant n00b
by Bèr Kessels 25 Nov '05

25 Nov '05

Hi, Every day i learn a little more about the form API stuff and every day I run into undocumented (or rather, unfindable) issues: Today: when I define a fapi form element of type date, do I still need to bother about validating these dates? And do I need to bother about converting the #default_value into a nice date string? Esp. when this is defined in a node form? Lets assume I have date_start and date_end set, now $node->date_start will be filled with a string, on _insert and _update my module converts those to a timestamp. on _load my modules pulls out the timestamp. Now, when I call this in the _form, I would assume that the #default value gets set with the proper string, convderted from the timestamp. I fail to find how this exaqctly works: I can find near to nothing about #post process or so. Ber

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One core, many distributions
by Jose A. Reyero 25 Nov '05

25 Nov '05

Well, I was writing this as a reply to a reply to the previous 'Encouraging collaboration' thread, but it's grown too big, so sorry, but I want to open a new thread. A "great developer platform" is how I see Drupal, and I'm sure most of the developers too. But the thing is: we need some focus, some targets to agree on. The problem is: currently we are pretending Drupal -core- to be too many things at the same time, mostly that great developer platform (1), but also an out of the box ready to use community portal (2) or kind of that. And the consequence is we are handling too many issues when fixing bugs for 'Drupal core' that are too specific of some more 'user level, site specific' modules. The main point is *core shouldn't need to be an out of the box nice site* that anyone can use, and we need to jump in the *one core, many distributions* idea for that. And that need to be an out of the box nice site is actually consuming far more effort than what could be a proper CMS core. IMHO we are wasting efforts in some higher level modules, that should be more focused to get what is properly the core system working right in the first place. And I'm not making any judgement about which modules should be in core and which ones not. I mean,, ok to have a few nice modules in core, but when a module grows too much, because people wants all that nice features, and them to be easy to set up, we can a) move it out of 'core' or b) provide a basic one in core that can be extended by a contrib module. Just as an example -and I have nothing against forum module: At some point, we are duplicating the taxonomy interface to handle a forum specific vocabulary. Then, this causes some bug -like this one, again just an example: http://drupal.org/node/24274 -, and then we have a *core bug*, module specific, but as it is a core module, this one has the same importance -in the bug tracking system- as any other critical bug -like a basic API not working properly. Notice that on one side we have a very big module in core to handle forums, but on the other side we don't have an small one for what could be a badly needed feature for other modules to build upon: a basic image node module. -again just an example, but I'm not talking about forum vs image at all. And as a side effect... How many modules you need to patch for what could be a small 'core patch' -if core was smaller- before your patch can be even considered because you can say at least 'it applys to HEAD' ?? And how many modules you need to re-patch again because of a minimum detail has changed in the main core patch during the follow up on the issue tracker? So I want to insist on the idea of "many distributions to serve different sites, one core to serve them all" --nice 'mantra', isn't it? ;-) But, anyway, that's an old idea. Just look at Linux.... Could you install 'Linux' --properly understood as the core OS- and pretend you have a nice OS ready to play with your computer? Cheers, Jose -- Jose A. Reyero http://www.reyero.net

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