November 2007 - Development - lists.drupal.org

Re: [development] Early Drupal 6 review from Chris Messina
by Michelle Cox 14 Nov '07

14 Nov '07

I have been wondering the same thing. But, then, Drupal is my first CMS so maybe it's easier because it's my "first language" :) Michelle On 11/14/2007 11:32:10 AM, Richard Morse (remorse(a)partners.org) wrote: > [snipped long discussion of alternatives to "taxonomy", "vocabulary", > "term"] > > I'm sorry to interrupt, but I'm still not sure why there is a > problem. Although I > don't claim to be a master at using > taxonomy.module, it was very obvious to me after the first two > minutes of using Drupal what the terms meant. Why do we need to > change them? The only thing I would change is the "categories" menu > item back to "taxonomies". Is there any advantage to using less > correct and more ambiguous terms to name things? > > The entire topic of categorization is going to require some learning > in order to make use of it. If there are default profiles, as has > recently been discussed, which have already set up a default > vocabulary as a "tagging" vocabulary, then the needs of the beginning > blogger has been taken care of. Anything complex, users are going to > need to read a bit, or play around for a while, to figure out -- so > what is the extra minute to realize that a vocabulary is a collection > of terms? > > (If people can't > stand the word "vocabulary", why not "dictionary", > which is also a collection of terms?) > > Confused, > Ricky

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and one more thing
by Karoly Negyesi 14 Nov '07

14 Nov '07

I do not think this is clear: I am not angry, I am sad, very sad. I am not blaming anyone, I understand everything what happened, but still, I can't take all this any more.

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staging
by Karoly Negyesi 13 Nov '07

13 Nov '07

Hi, a) please get the whole settings.php from /home/knegyesi/sites/default/settings.php -- I have set up memcached too b) in media, do an rm -r images and then an svn up. This will create a graphics dir which is no longer a symlink and contains all our theme images. Also will recreate images as a symlink to /staging_media/images which is rsync'd from prod media. Regards, NK

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Table hook idea
by Mike Cantelon 13 Nov '07

13 Nov '07

Is there any interest in adding hook support to table rows and cells to allow on-the-fly modification of table data by modules? Something like "table_alter($headers, $rows)" and/or "row_alter" and "cell_alter". Seems to me this would be easy to do by adding support for an "id" key for tables, rows, and/or cells so if the id is set the hook is invoked in other modules. Cheers, Mike

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How to Maintain your Drupal Contributions
by Derek Wright 12 Nov '07

12 Nov '07

At the recent BADCamp[1], I gave a talk on "How to Develop and Maintain your Drupal Contribution"[2]. It was quite well received, and it covered a lot of things that aren't yet clearly documented in the handbooks on drupal.org. This email exists for two reasons: A) I recorded the audio of the talk, so others can benefit from it if they're so inclined. I also uploaded pictures of the drawings I made on the giant pad of paper that I used as visual aids. It's a hack, but it's a start... http://badcamp07.org/07/post/audio-talk B) It'd be _really_ great to turn some of this into d.o documentation, but I'm totally swamped (as usual) with way too many things. Are there any aspiring (or established) documentation writers or folks who want to help out who would like to listen to the talk (~90 minutes including the full Q+A section) and work on some text for the handbook? How about converting the sloppy pictures I drew into nice Tufte-esque diagrams and annotated screenshots? Please contact me off list if you'd like to help, or find me in #drupal. You could also just assign this issue[3] to yourself, since it's a major part of what needs to be documented which I covered in the talk (the logic in update_status and how it relates to what you do with your releases and project node). Thanks/enjoy, -Derek (dww) [1] http://drupal.org/bay-area-drupal-camp [2] http://badcamp07.org/07/sessions/how-develop-and-maintain-your- drupal-contribution [3] http://drupal.org/node/179103

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Re: [development] Early Drupal 6 review from Chris Messina
by Hans Salvisberg 11 Nov '07

11 Nov '07

Karen Stevenson wrote: > I think one simple change would make a world of difference without 'dumbing' anything down. As was mentioned before, the most confusing thing is the word 'vocabulary' since it's not obvious, even if you know figure out that taxonomy is way of categorizing things, what exactly a vocabulary is. So just change vocabulary to either 'category type' or 'category group', then we have a much more clear breakdown of: > > taxonomy -> categories > vocabulary -> category type (or category group) > term -> category (or term) > term == category Yes, that's the main thing! When taxonomy is referred to as "categories" (plural), it's not clear what exactly a single "category" is. I don't think this is stated anywhere. If we can call "terms" (in developer space) "categories" (in newbie user space), we'll have made a significant step forward. "Vocabularies" are categories of "categories" or meta-categories. They are categories -- not categories of nodes, but categories of categories. Chris Messina is not wrong when he calls them categories, too, but this doesn't help to understand how it works. Meta-categories are clearly beyond what the average user wants to deal with when he installs Drupal for the first time. Taxonomy is the entire mechanism. Renaming it to "categories" doesn't help, because it creates a simplified expectation. I propose to rename taxonomy -> classification because this is exactly what we're doing: we're classifying the content, not more and not less. I believe that "classification" is something that the user can understand, and it's abstract enough to keep him from jumping to conclusions. I like David Strauss' idea of providing a free-tagging vocabulary named "Tags" that's enabled by default. Put this on the first tab under Administer|Classification. Add an "Advanced" tab with explanations and a button to remove the Tags vocabulary (and these two "beginner" tabs) and enable the full taxonomy system. Two clicks shouldn't place an undue burden on those who want to go straight to the full taxonomy system. Hans

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Installation profiles: here is what missing
by Karoly Negyesi 11 Nov '07

11 Nov '07

Gerhard asked this in the current kitchen sink thread and the answer is IMO obvious: the package script is missing so that instead of a bare profile you can download a tarball. Who wants to work on this?

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Re: [development] Early Drupal 6 review from Chris Messina
by Liza Sabater 11 Nov '07

11 Nov '07

--------- Original Message -------- From: development(a)drupal.org To: development(a)drupal.org <development(a)drupal.org> Subject: Re: [development] Early Drupal 6 review from Chris Messina Date: 11/11/07 05:54 > Earl Miles wrote: > > David Strauss wrote: > >> 'Cause if someone just wants a blog, we tell them to use WordPress. No > >> one benefits from making Drupal into "Super WordPress." > > > > Actually, one of my long term goals is to get Drupal to the point where > > it can compete with Wordpress. There *is* a benefit to this in terms of > > marketing and perception. > > I agree. I'm working on modules + installation profile to get a valid > DrupalMU, a multi-user blogging platform. > > Wim OMG. I am your target beta tester. I'm the kind of person you want to have playing with something like that. Just ping me when you're ready. BTW : I am sending this to the list so other module developers know about my eagerness to beta-test modules and submit UE and UI reports. I will not be able to say "yes" to everybody, but just FYI. I do spec out modules. I just don't code them (that's left to the resident or hired code heroes). /liza -- Liza Sabater, Publisher culturekitchen.com dailygotham.com AIM cultkitdiva MOB 646.552.7365 > > ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.10

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critical issues waiting for your reviews
by Gábor Hojtsy 11 Nov '07

11 Nov '07

Hey, Right now the critical issue queue for D6 (which defines when/how we can do an RC and then a release) is one page. This means 20 issues. Of those, 13 are waiting for your reviews(!). Three are in the "active" state (ie. no patch currently) and need a bit more work to move forward. The critical queue: http://drupal.org/project/issues?projects=3060&versions=97368,184399,175832… Or the same in tinyurl form: http://tinyurl.com/35ws5g Thanks go to all contributors, Gabor

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Re: [development] Early Drupal 6 review from Chris Messina
by Liza Sabater 11 Nov '07

11 Nov '07

--------- Original Message -------- From: development(a)drupal.org To: development(a)drupal.org <development(a)drupal.org> Subject: Re: [development] Early Drupal 6 review from Chris Messina Date: 11/11/07 05:44 > David Strauss wrote: > > 'Cause if someone just wants a blog, we tell them to use WordPress. No > > one benefits from making Drupal into "Super WordPress." > > Actually, one of my long term goals is to get Drupal to the point where > it can compete with Wordpress. There *is* a benefit to this in terms of > marketing and perception. THANK YOU. As I said, most organizations and multiuser projects don't know that when they ask for "a blog" they're really asking for Drupal. And if they do, they just say it's too hard to use. I hope that focusing on distros will help in working out UI and UE issues. I actually have a bit of an issue with the distros, but I'll test D6 first before making any comments. BTW, I still do a double take when I read "profile" on this list. I immediately think of USER profile, not INSTALLATION profile. In terms of User Experience, I think it can be a problem. -- Liza Sabater, Publisher culturekitchen.com dailygotham.com AIM cultkitdiva MOB 646.552.7365 ________________________________________________ Message sent using UebiMiau 2.7.10

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